747-400F range spec option?

[skwaL 36]

Hey everyone,

 

I do get a lot of my information from wikipedia in regards to many things but, this got me puzzed. The maximum range for 400F according to Boeing has various options ranging anywhere from 2825nm @ Max gross takeoff weight all the way up to 4400nm. The numbers stated on wiki are 2825nm. Any ideas what the PMDG 747-400F is going to have?

 

I guess this question is more of a question for beta testers and developers.

 

Thanks for all the help and info ahead of time

 

 

- Konstantin

[ph-cxz 28]

Depends on how heavy the aircraft has been loaded but I wouldn't trust Wikipedia on your gut.

[77west 139]

Hey everyone,

 

I do get a lot of my information from wikipedia in regards to many things but, this got me puzzed. The maximum range for 400F according to Boeing has various options ranging anywhere from 2825nm @ Max gross takeoff weight all the way up to 4400nm. The numbers stated on wiki are 2825nm. Any ideas what the PMDG 747-400F is going to have?

 

I guess this question is more of a question for beta testers and developers.

 

Thanks for all the help and info ahead of time

 

 

- Konstantin

 

Have a look here: http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/747_4.pdf

 

I bet the PMDG 747F will be right on Boeings numbers.

[skwaL 36]

Have a look here: http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/747_4.pdf

 

I bet the PMDG 747F will be right on Boeings numbers.

 

Hey Wes,

 

Got my numbers off Boeing website. You can find them HERE

 

Once you get to the specification page closer to the bottom you will see that the 400F has several range options.

 

 

Depends on how heavy the aircraft has been loaded but I wouldn't trust Wikipedia on your gut.

 

I did state Max gross takeoff weight. There is no way to get more 

[77west 139]

 

 

Got my numbers off Boeing website. You can find them HERE

Thats more of a marketing type brochure. The link I sent you is a more technically specific document. Go to page 64 for a proper graph etc.

[skwaL 36]

Thats more of a marketing type brochure. The link I sent you is a more technically specific document. Go to page 64 for a proper graph etc.

 

Ah alright. Thanks.

 

Seem like I would not have to worry about stopping in Keflavik on flight from CVG - LGG 

[BlueStar 323]

I did state Max gross takeoff weight. There is no way to get more

 

Konstantin​,

 

Freighters are almost always limited by ZFW and/or MGLW as opposed to MGTOW.  A freighter needs to be at or near capacity to be profitable.  This means freighters must trade pounds of fuel for pounds of cargo.  An example would be a heavily traveled route from FRA to NRT or HKG.   A freighter will need to stop in OVB enroute to NRT or ALA enroute HKG out of FRA because it has traded pounds of fuel for pounds of cargo.  Although a B744 can easily go directly from FRA to NRT or HKG, a fully loaded freighter can't and still make a profit.  A lot of times freighters will have more pounds of cargo than pounds of fuel.  As they say in the cinema "It's all about the money." :smile:

 

blaustern

[Boeing or not going 578]

If range had been a big deal more freight companies would be flying the -400ERF

 

The different ranges in my opinion are related to the engine option selected and possibly more upper deck seats, another bathroom, big kitchen, etc. adding weight.  - David Lee

[pcubine 143]

more upper deck seats, another bathroom, big kitchen, etc. adding weight

Have you ever seen this on a freighter?

[77west 139]

Have you ever seen this on a freighter?

There are usually several rows of business class seats, a galley, a toilet or two and crew rest bunks on the upper deck of a 747F. Remember, its not just the pilots, there is usually a loadmaster and often couriers, horse handlers etc that travel on F flights.

 

That said, I doubt this would add that much weight, probably only a few tons which are anticipated in the design.

[scandinavian13 5,192]

There are no such options.

 

I'll use an analogy here:

On a normal day, I can walk pretty far. I think I usually - if I did no more walking than necessary during the week - walk about 4 miles. Even then, I could still walk more.

Now, we arrive at a weekend and I have to help a friend move to a new house. Weighed down with boxes, I'm definitely not going to be able to walk 4 miles.

 

Same for the plane:

Little weight - lots of range.

Lots of weight - little range.

 

Never go off of basic numbers like that. They're there for marketing and for casual passengers to muse about. The actual numbers depend on weight, FL flown, speed flown, temp, head/tailwind component, and so on.

[rsrandazzo 6,353]

Gents,

 

A couple rules about airplane performance numbers:

 

1) Marketers lie.

2) Liars market.

3) Never believe anything you hear a broker say.

4) Discount anything the sales guy says while he is communicating in any manner.

 

Go by the engineering data, if you can get your hands on it. 

[Avantime 81]

Konstantin​,

 

Freighters are almost always limited by ZFW and/or MGLW as opposed to MGTOW.  A freighter needs to be at or near capacity to be profitable.  This means freighters must trade pounds of fuel for pounds of cargo.  An example would be a heavily traveled route from FRA to NRT or HKG.   A freighter will need to stop in OVB enroute to NRT or ALA enroute HKG out of FRA because it has traded pounds of fuel for pounds of cargo.  Although a B744 can easily go directly from FRA to NRT or HKG, a fully loaded freighter can't and still make a profit.  A lot of times freighters will have more pounds of cargo than pounds of fuel.  As they say in the cinema "It's all about the money." :smile:

 

Air freight needs to get to their destination quickly, but not THAT quick compared to passengers, whose comfort will really start to deteriorate beyond 12 hours. Therefore freighters make frequent tech stops at max payload.

 

If you need really urgent air freight (e.g. You're in just-in-time manufacturing and you suffered a major breakdown) you charter a jet and fly it to your requirements. Cost index 999? Check.

[Boeing or not going 578]

Have you ever seen this on a freighter?

Absolutely, at minimum you must have seats for the pilots to rest in. some have more if they carry animals and support staff need to sit in seats. - David Lee

[pcubine 143]

There are usually several rows of business class seats, a galley, a toilet or two and crew rest bunks on the upper deck of a 747F. Remember, its not just the pilots, there is usually a loadmaster and often couriers, horse handlers etc that travel on F flights.

 

That said, I doubt this would add that much weight, probably only a few tons which are anticipated in the design.

 

 

Absolutely, at minimum you must have seats for the pilots to rest in. some have more if they carry animals and support staff need to sit in seats. - David Lee

You guys are right. I had forgotten about the 775 pigs in post #39 - http://www.avsim.com/topic/501320-b744f-polar-kdfw-panc/page-3