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Hi all,

 

After some advice please. I am running xp 11 and seem to have my fps stuck at 39 no matter what I change.

I was running with ortho and GB Pro with every slider maxed on a 4k screen on a 7600 at 4.5Ghz and a 1080 Ti and just about hitting 30fps if the weather was clear but it wasn't totally smooth with track ir so I need to up my fps a bit.

I'm now trying to hit 60fps so it syncs nicely with my screen but no matter what I turn off it won't go over 39fps. Now before you say 39 is enough, well sort of, but its more the fact that it is stuck there that is my problem as it means something is locking it. I have removed ALL add ons and tried this in the default 172, every slider down so it looks like crap and yet it is still stuck on 39( see below shot).

Any idea why it is stuck like this? 60fps should be easy with a default 11.01with this set up but what am I missing?

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Chris

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Lower the resolution at 1920x1080. Is it still locked at 39 FPS?

Load the default KC10 (it should be one of the less performance hungry aircrafts), go to external view, and zoom all the way out until you're in outer space. Is it still locked at 39 FPS?

 

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Hi Murmur

That screenshot was actually a low Res one. Just to be sure, I went full screen at 1080p and used the old kc10. With minimum everything it was still stuck at 39fps.

 

Chris

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This could be a preferences issue. To move the preferences in X-Plane:

Open the X-Plane installation directory

Go to the Output folder / the Preferences folder.

Move all the files inside the /Preferences folder to your desktop (you can even just make a copy of the folder and place it on the desktop...it'll be safe there.  Delete the contents of the original folder

Restart X-Plane

Sage advice from the Reverend Ben here: http://developer.x-plane.com/2011/06/the-cult-of-bad-preferences/

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Just a thought Chris...  but have you tried deleting/rebuilding your prefs file in case there are any nasty remnants of something lurking within?

 

[Edit - you beat me to it Jim]

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Good advices. Moving the preferences out should allow you to establish wether the lock is due to X-Plane setting or to GPU control panel settings.

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Just now, Murmur said:

Good advices. Moving the preferences out should allow you to establish wether the lock is due to X-Plane setting or to GPU control panel settings.

I almost suggested that perhaps the OP made some settings changes in the gpu control panel, which could also be the culprit, but it doesn't hurt to troubleshoot the obvious first. :happy:

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I myself have always found XPXI to be severely FPS bound. No Idea why.

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1 minute ago, HiFlyer said:

I myself have always found XPXI to be severely FPS bound. No Idea why.

Ben's blog had a post in it a while back, whereby someone posed a similar question, to which Ben responded that (paraphrasing) "set up the sim to run at 30fps, then balance out the settings to get the best visuals and fly", which translated, meant that the days of achieving ungodly fps aren't in the cards for XP11, unlike FSX or even P3D. Monitoring your cpu and gpu limits, allows you the freedom to make changes to your settings to balance out the sim.

On my own system, my fps vary, depending on aircraft flown.  This is really the only variable that causes the fps to increase or decrease.  Aerobask's aircraft will give me 30's, while the default C172 will push upper 40's to low 50's, with all of that within default global scenery.  Add on a custom mesh/ortho, and the fps come back down.  Location is a factor as well, whereby heavy OSM data, combined with additional add-on scenery objects, can decrease the frames.  For the most part, my sim is balanced out to pump out low 30's, but the sim is still usable and stable.

I'm not sure why your sim is fps "bound", unless you have a frame limiter setting or add-on, causing the binding to occur.  One thing I made sure of, early on, was that nothing was controlling the fps, except for XP11's settings.

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10 minutes ago, Jimm said:

I'm not sure why your sim is fps "bound", unless you have a frame limiter setting or add-on, causing the binding to occur.  One thing I made sure of, early on, was that nothing was controlling the fps, except for XP11's settings.

Pretty much bound in exactly the way you mentioned, in that reducing the settings to a minimum, much as the OP noted, produces similar FPS to turning the settings up much higher. This represents a seeming FPS plateau: relatively unresponsive to user changes that in other sims would greatly affect framerate.

Or essentially, you can't generally attain high FPS in XPXI.

A bit troubling, most especially for those of us interested in VR. It also makes settings using heavy clouds a bit problematical.

I suspect a lot of people are flying only on clear days.

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Laminar Research has stated that they're working on performance improvements. They even hired new coders for that. VR will require higher FPS, and since they're also targeting VR usability...

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Ok I have deleted all prefs and am running xp in low res with default scenery only in the 172 with every slider at min but still stuck at 39.

 

Just to point out, I'm not after crazy high fps, I'd just like to have them a bit higher for really smooth track ir. It really should be possible with this hardware so something is obviously locking it. I'll check in control centre but I did leave that all default. Failing that I might try an XP reinstall.

 

Chris

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I've found that when I want higher FPS I fall back to XPX.

XPXI is more of an eye candy thing for me, right now. And I like the new interface.

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2 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

I've found that when I want higher FPS I fall back to XPX.

XPXI is more of an eye candy thing for me, right now. And I like the new interface.

Do what works best for you, and it's understandable if you feel that XP11 isn't up to the level of performance that you have expected, but give it time and it will.  Rome wasn't built in a day, and I know that the team at LR are working on a great many things.  Everyone has their own impressions on what makes a great simulator, and there are plenty of choices out there.  With that said though, there isn't one single go to sim that encompasses everyone's expectations and tastes, so opinions aside, the OP seems to clearly have an issue going on with the fps being locked somehow and outside of any crazy evil juju injected into the sim, I suspect that a 3rd party application is still holing control over the fps.

To the OP:  You can always post your log.txt file here and we can have a look to see if anything latent was left behind to cause the problem.

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I wonder if you have VSync set, and perhaps your monitor refresh is set lower than 60. I would check all of the monitor settings. Just a thought.

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2 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Pretty much bound in exactly the way you mentioned, in that reducing the settings to a minimum, much as the OP noted, produces similar FPS to turning the settings up much higher. This represents a seeming FPS plateau: relatively unresponsive to user changes that in other sims would greatly affect framerate.

Or essentially, you can't generally attain high FPS in XPXI.

The qualifier "generally" is doing a lot of work there. It's certainly not true for everyone. My average frame rate in XP11 is around 40fps. That's with graphics at High(HDR) and world detail at maximum, no world shadows. I could get it to 50fps or more, easily, if I reduced those settings. And my hardware isn't too fancy, just a GTX 970 for GPU, see setup in my sig. Notice my monitor resolution though... I'm not pushing the pixels much. XP isn't really designed for 60fps, or (arguably) for 4K res either. But 40fps? Sure, I call that flyable for anything but VR.

And no, I'm not only flying on clear days. Mostly in the Pacific Northwest, with real weather injection. And it's been a terrible wet Winter and Spring.

Something else going on with a locked 39fps frame rate. XP11 isn't locked in that way.

 

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Are you, by any chance, using Nvidia Inspector / Control Panel and locking the fps there ?

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Windows 10 creator's edition also recently updated and the game center is known to limit frame rate - any chance you're running that and haven't disabled game center or have the game DVR running?

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Thanks for all the help guys, I do appreciate it!

I've spent a few hours now trying to sort this and tried all your suggestions.

So current state is, no add ons, no plug ins, low res using the kc10 (tried numerous aircraft and locations) and all sliders to the minimum.

I have deleted all prefs and started over and get the same problem.

I have turned game mode off just to make sure it is not limiting anything.

I don't have NI installed and don't have any external fps locks.

Any other game runs way beyond 39fps. For example Aerofly runs maxxed out at 4k with well over triple figures fps. Any non flight sim game does the same and even P3d can really shift.

 

I have attached the log in the spoiler below in case it might help with anything.....

 

Regards

Chris

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X-Plane started on Mon May 15 18:46:01 2017

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 26 Resources/default scenery/900 beaches/
 27 Resources/default scenery/900 europe objects/
 28 Resources/default scenery/900 forests/
 29 Resources/default scenery/900 roads/
 30 Resources/default scenery/900 us objects/
 31 Resources/default scenery/900 world object placeholders/
 32 Resources/default scenery/airport decals/
 33 Resources/default scenery/airport scenery/
 34 Resources/default scenery/default apt dat/
 35 Resources/default scenery/default atc/
 36 Resources/default scenery/sim objects/
 37 Resources/tutorials/tutorials_Alaska/
 38 Resources/tutorials/tutorials_Hawaii/
 39 Resources/tutorials/tutorials_Seattle/

ATC audio initialized.
Initializing off screen memory.
Initializing off screen memory complete.

 

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From your Log:

 

threaded_avail   : 1

Only thing I can suggest: In Nvidia Control Panel, OR using Nvidia Inspector, create a profile for XP11 with Threaded Optimization Off...

BUT ! Before doing so, and given that there were a couple of Windows 10 updates during the last days, reboot or finish any pending update installation and try again. 

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19 minutes ago, tutmeister said:
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 14 Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/
 15 Custom Scenery/LFPG Paris - Charles de Gaulle/
 16 Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/
 17 Global Scenery/X-Plane 11 Demo Areas/ 

 

Hi Chris....

XP is loading the KSEA and LOWI Demo Areas but what is #17 Global Scenery/X-Plane 11 Demo Areas/   ??

 

EDIT: Scrub that Chris. My error.

 

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What are your CPU and GPU time? (they're shown next to the fps value). So we can establish what is causing this bottleneck in fps.

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Well, there's definitely something going on there. According to your last screenshot, you should have about 84 fps (and this is consistent with your bottlenecking CPU time of 0.0113, corresponding to a theoretical fps of 88), but then the actual framerate is only 39-40. Do you know what is the refresh rate of your monitor?

 

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