Fabrice

Issue with approaches

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Hi All,

 

I'm currently testing the trial with X-Plane 11 and have issues with approaches.

The only flight were P2A brought me to the runway was when it let me fly the STAR to the end. On other flights, although I followed instructions to the letter, vectors never brought me safely to the runway. I made several flight and here are the results:

- LSGG-LSZH: success, let me follow the STAR to the runway

- LSZH-LSGG: fail, vectored me and cleared me for ILS after I passed the loc and way too high. After this, I changed the Vector lenght distance to 5nm in the config.

- LSZH LSGG 2: half success, vectored me to the loc, but too high, had to dive to capture the GS.

- LSGG-LIMJ: fail, vectored me for a while, then suddenly vectored me directly to the airport, flew over the airport at 5600'. ATC vectored me north and never heard back from ATC (waited for a while, was almost back over Torino)

 

So curently, although I love P2A and see a lot of potential, I'm not very keen to spend $70 on this.

Can you please give me some tips or suggest some changes or things I may do wrong?

I fly the JAR A320 on X-Plane 11, with FlyInside.

 

Thanks a lot,

Fabrice

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4 hours ago, Fabrice said:

 

vectored me and cleared me for ILS after I passed the loc and way too high. After this, I changed the Vector lenght distance to 5nm in the config.

 vectored me to the loc, but too high, had to dive to capture the GS.

 

I have noticed this as well in 2.2.14 but was going to do a few more flights to see if it was common. Looks like it might be. I flew into CYHZ last night and CYYZ Thursday and the instruction to capture the ILS approach was to maintain 6500 feet at both airports. Way to high to capture a glideslope. I was already at 3000 feet ( according to approach charts ) when I received the command. Just ignored the altitude and reported when on final.

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If you could email me (admin @ pilot2atc.com) the log files for these flights, I could take a look and see what's going on. 

The log files are in the following folder:

C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\P2A_200\Logs

where <UserName> is your PC user name

A new file is created each time you start Pilot2ATC.

Thanks,

Dave

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Hi Dave,

I already restarted P2A a few times, so lost the files. I just started a new flight LSGG LIMJ, but had a FlyInside crash this time... :-S

I will send you a log as soon as possible.

In all cases, I'm happy that this seems to be a non-normal behaviour and that the developper reacts quicklyy to try and fix it. I will certainly buy P2A after my 8 remaing trial days.

Thanks,

Fabrice

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17 minutes ago, Fabrice said:

Hi Dave,

I already restarted P2A a few times, so lost the files. I just started a new flight LSGG LIMJ, but had a FlyInside crash this time... :-S

I will send you a log as soon as possible.

In all cases, I'm happy that this seems to be a non-normal behaviour and that the developper reacts quicklyy to try and fix it. I will certainly buy P2A after my 8 remaing trial days.

Thanks,

Fabrice

Your log file should still be there. P2A now archives your log files instead of replacing your last one.

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Thanks Mike!

Dan, I sent the logs of my three last flights (2x LSZH-LSGG and LSGG-LIMJ).

 

Thanks!

Fabrice

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Greetings,

New to P2A (2218) and really liking it for the most part, but I'm struggling with several things among which the most repeatable has been vectored approaches.  I was going to start a new thread but I found this one with a search and since it covers the exact same problem I'm having I thought I would just do an update here.

I haven't had a successful approach on vectors yet out of around 5 attempts; the lateral nav part seems to work really well but for vertical guidance the controller always keeps me way too high (6000 ft. is the most popular choice but it's always right around there) until I capture the localizer; the way it sets up for me at that point the only way I'm going to make the runway is to fly the same profile as a Stuka dive bomber (which might be somewhat unsettling for the paying customers in the back...)  This has happened at different airports and with different aircraft over several flights.

From the previous thread there didn't seem to be any final resolution offered.  Any config or other changes I can make to resolve this, or do I just need to ignore the altitude directions like someone already mentioned above?

Thanks for your help!  -Kevin

 

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Kevin,

I suspect what's going on is you are getting clearance for the ILS when you are at 6000.  When given clearance for the ILS, it includes clearance to fly the published altitudes, so in most cases you can begin an immediate descent to a lower altitude from which you can intercept the glide slope.

If you don't think that's the case, please email me your log file from one of these flights and I'll have a look.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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Hi Dave,

Thanks for your reply!  One of the reasons I decided to go with P2A was the very active support I've seen here on the forums.

Well, I'm not a RW pilot so 'pilot error' is always an option with me...but the instructions I'm hearing in this case seem pretty clear.  I still have at least a couple of log files that I know capture the type of scenario I'm describing, so I'll send them along.

Thanks,

Kevin

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I've modified the program so that after the turn to intercept final, there is not that additional altitude to fly until intercepting final.  This will allow you to fly the published altitudes and descend to the Initial Fix altitude (usually about 2000' AGL) and intercept the glide slope.

Also, it's important to make the Vector Leg distance at least 5 NM and possibly 6 or 7 NM when flying airliners or high performance jets.

Thanks for all the input and logs.

Dave

 

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