2 hours ago, HighBypass said:

So you flew straight into the hill? Could you not have disconnected the autothrottle and autopilot and then pull back on the yoke? You know, actually fly the aeroplane? My apologies if you did actually take control, but it was too late.

The late, retired, American Airlines Captain, Warren Vandeburgh did a series of lectures which you can find on youtube, even as a non-pilot I found them very interesting.

 

First, many thanks for your touch on this topic thread. Regarding on my flight yes, I didn't have the chance to climb over the hill that was too close when I decided to correct it. Next time I will disconnect AP and AT. I am still learning with sim.

I will watch youtube those clips as well.

Patricio, if you can, also watch the Angle of Attack MD-11 Training videos. You may have to subscribe to it, not sure. Long while since I used it.

http://www.flyaoamedia.com/md11/

17 hours ago, vc10man said:

Patricio, if you can, also watch the Angle of Attack MD-11 Training videos. You may have to subscribe to it, not sure. Long while since I used it.

http://www.flyaoamedia.com/md11/

Thanks Rick. But at a cost of 44 bucks..... I may go ahead anyway. Afraid to get similar troubles as the MD-11 tutorial 1 (lol).

20 hours ago, trisho0 said:

 ...too close when I decided to correct it...

Ah, yes. I have been there! 

Happy flying!

20 hours ago, trisho0 said:

First, many thanks for your touch on this topic thread. Regarding on my flight yes, I didn't have the chance to climb over the hill that was too close when I decided to correct it. Next time I will disconnect AP and AT. I am still learning with sim.

It would be helpful if you explained how you managed to hit or come close to a hill.  Were you following the horizontal path on the Navigation Display?  How were you determining how high to fly?  Try to give a step-by-step account of how you conducted the approach, as best you can.  Try saving a flight at the beginning of the approach so that you can redo it.  You can also pause and take screen shots.

I watched a couple of Capt. Vanderburgh's videos -- Thanks, Mark, for recommending them.  But they are way too advanced for someone who is just learning to fly heavy jets.

Mike

41 minutes ago, Mike777 said:

someone who is just learning to fly heavy jets.

Which is why I pointed him towards the AOA

 

1 hour ago, trisho0 said:

cost of 44 bucks.

There is a trail version. Try it first.

25 minutes ago, vc10man said:

Which is why I pointed him towards the AOA

Not familiar with those but sound more like what Patricio needs! 

Mike

23 minutes ago, Mike777 said:

Not familiar with those but sound more like what Patricio needs! 

Mike

When the PMDG MD-11 first came out, despite doing the accompanying Tutorial to LSZH, I wanted to learn a bit more, such as hand-flying her from take-off to 5000 feet AGL, and that AOA lesson on how to follow the FD taught me that. Thereafter, every large jet became easy to reach 5000ft on climb-out and descent to finals following the FD, etc on the PFD.

Regarding  Patricio, I'm a tad puzzled how he came to facing a hill on approach to ILS14, because AFAIR, there is a dip descending into it from GIPOL waypoint.

Maybe he will follow your suggestions for screenshots, and we nay be able to help him. Overreaching is a word that comes to my head!

9 minutes ago, vc10man said:

When the PMDG MD-11 first came out, despite doing the accompanying Tutorial to LSZH, I wanted to learn a bit more, such as hand-flying her from take-off to 5000 feet AGL, and that AOA lesson on how to follow the FD taught me that. Thereafter, every large jet became easy to reach 5000ft on climb-out and descent to finals following the FD, etc on the PFD.

Regarding  Patricio, I'm a tad puzzled how he came to facing a hill on approach to ILS14, because AFAIR, there is a dip descending into it from GIPOL waypoint.

I haven't flown the MD-11 nearly as much as the 777 (going back to the PSS for FS9), the 737 NGX and the new PMDG 747.  I don't recall how I figured out how to hand fly it on takeoff up to an initial altitude.  Possibly one or more of their tutorials.  But it took me a long time to figure out that even with the autopilot off, if VNAV is lit and theautothrottle is active, VNAV still collaborates with the Autothrottle, the altitude set in the MCP and the speed and altitude restrictions in the FMC -- namely, if you follow the flight director's pitch bar, it will keep you climbing at the target speed determined by the FMC, will start in full or derated takeoff thrust, then switch to full or derated climb thrust (both set in the FMC) at an altitude determined by FMC settings, and the autothrottle will switch to  SPD mode (thrust adjusted for speed) as you approach the altitude set in the MCP (or a target altitude determined by the departure/STAR procedure if lower).  I think the MD-11 behaves pretty much the same way.   This is of course entirely different from the way the oversimplified FS9 or FSX default heavy jets operate.

I haven't landed at Zurich for awhile, but I don't recall a hill on the 14 or adjacent 16 approach.  There is rising ground on the opposite side of the airport which, if I recall correctly, requires fairly quick left turns both on go-around and on takeoff from these runways.

Mike

4 hours ago, vc10man said:

There is a trail version. Try it first.

I see that would be a wise option for me to learn the MD-11 For right now the bird has a parachute already and above the Zurich airport. Ready to land down.

Sorry, I am kidding ...... http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GA7q

Definitely I need to fix the MD-11 by reinstalling on FSX again. I don't know why it happened. Is there a tutorial to repair the MD-11? (LOL)

3 hours ago, Mike777 said:

Not familiar with those but sound more like what Patricio needs! 

Mike

You are right. I am planning to buy it and to combine with the tutorial 1 if needed.

6 hours ago, Mike777 said:

It would be helpful if you explained how you managed to hit or come close to a hill.  Were you following the horizontal path on the Navigation Display?  How were you determining how high to fly?  Try to give a step-by-step account of how you conducted the approach, as best you can.  Try saving a flight at the beginning of the approach so that you can redo it.  You can also pause and take screen shots.

I will redo flight.

I flew from EDNY rwy 06 to LSZH rwy14 (short way) and had some issues because trying to do actions too fast as I do on 747. Near the ILS14 runway the LOC didn't arm after pressing APPR/LAND. I had to land by hand and success! I wonder if the following screenshot can tell my error from http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GA7Q

 

6 hours ago, trisho0 said:

I flew from EDNY rwy 06 to LSZH rwy14 (short way) and had some issues because trying to do actions too fast as I do on 747. Near the ILS14 runway the LOC didn't arm after pressing APPR/LAND. I had to land by hand and success!

Hi Patricio,

Congratulations on a successful landing!  It's really more difficult to do a manual landing than an ILS one!

It looks like the same old issue with a discrepancy between the ILS frequency in the MD-11/PMDG database and the ILS frequency in your scenery.  You have the current ILS frequency tuned (lower left of PFD). I don't see any evidence that the aircraft's ILS receivers picked up the localizer or GS.  Even though your ND is in MAP mode and not Approach mode, you should see GS and LOC  pips on the PFD.  The purple pip to the right of the ND on a vertical line is not a GS indicator, it's the calculated vertical path indicator from the VNAV of the aircraft.  Again, look at the FS Map and see what frequency is showing for FS.  Or try 108.3 approach course 136.  That is what is showing on the map for FSX (also very old) if I uninstall my addon LSZH scenery.  You can enter it manually on the NAV/RAD page where it says ILS.  I really don't see why it is so difficult for you to look on the Map page in FS and see the frequency there for runway 14.  Again: FS data is very old and out of date.  But your nav data is not because you have Airac 1705 or maybe even a newer one.

Two other things: 1) for an ILS final approach you should have your ND in APPR mode so it will display the localizer and GS deviation indicators.  Open the Flight Guidance Panel and click on "APPR".  2) Your altitude should be set to the go-around altitude, which for this approach is 6000.  You can see it by looking on the CDU flight plan page at the waypoints after the runway.

I just redid the tutorial from EGLL to LSZH, and there are indeed some hills just to the right of the final approach path!

Mike

15 hours ago, Mike777 said:

Congratulations on a successful landing!  It's really more difficult to do a manual landing than an ILS one!

Thank you Mike, I like the manual landing, But still finding why the ILS wasn't intercepted. I will repeat the flight.

 

15 hours ago, Mike777 said:

You have the current ILS frequency tuned (lower left of PFD).

I entered the frequency/course manually into NAV/RAD FMC and entered also on the FCP HDG window. Such f/c info I took from 747 FMC NAV/RAD way before the approach runway. I forgot to "pause" the sim in order to take a look on the World/Map.

 

15 hours ago, Mike777 said:

1) for an ILS final approach you should have your ND in APPR mode so it will display the localizer and GS deviation indicators.  Open the Flight Guidance Panel and click on "APPR".

I clicked APPR/LAND near to 10nm and nothing happened.

 

15 hours ago, Mike777 said:

2) Your altitude should be set to the go-around altitude, which for this approach is 6000.

Normally I change the G/A Altitude right after G/S becomes engaged. But if LOC didn't engage then G/S will never take place.

 

16 hours ago, Mike777 said:

I just redid the tutorial from EGLL to LSZH, and there are indeed some hills just to the right of the final approach path!

I guess the hill is at front of plane cockpit because we select the wrong waypoint just before the approach runway.

57 minutes ago, trisho0 said:

I entered the frequency/course manually into NAV/RAD FMC and entered also on the FCP HDG window. Such f/c info I took from 747 FMC NAV/RAD way before the approach runway. I forgot to "pause" the sim in order to take a look on the World/Map.

 

57 minutes ago, trisho0 said:

I clicked APPR/LAND near to 10nm and nothing happened

Before we go any further, please open FS.  Take any aircraft -- the default Trike will do just fine -- and place it at LSZH, any gate, or better yet, on Runway 14.  Then go to the top menu, click on World, then Map.  Click on the airport diagram of LSZH.  You should see a list of frequencies and course headings for runways.  Tell us what it says for Runway 14.  Better yet, include a screen shot of the map that you see.

Mike