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58 minutes ago, Humberside said:

I think he might be getting at the fact that now that now the hotfix is out the 777-300ER can be converted

Only if LM was able to resolve the issue PMDG was seeing:cool:

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My feedback for the Hotfix:

In the PMDG 777-200LR with PMDG Default-Livery in Dubai with FlyTampa Scenery at Gate A1 in VC:

Without Hotfix:
14:00 o'clock - 36/37 FPS
04:00 o'clock - 38FPS (All Lights on!)

With Hotfix:
14:00 o'clock - 39 FPS
04:00 o'clock - 38FPS (All Lights on!)

Here my settings:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/7o9jbtew.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/znav7mhu.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/y8r2ojgw.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/6t7oromv.png

Here my system:
Intel Core i7 7700K
MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
Asus8GB D5X GTX 1080 STRIX AG
G.Skill DIMM 32 GB DDR4-2133 Kit
P3D installiert auf: SSD 500GB 1.8/3.2G 960 EVO PCIe M.2 SAM


Somebody wrote in the facebook group that he gaint 10-15FPS more with the Hotfix. I couldn't confirm this yet.
I hope that something like the load into a dead cockpit or some P3D.exe/.dll problems together with some background things for developers are solved but more frames? Nope! :)

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16 hours ago, LH747fan said:

My feedback for the Hotfix:

In the PMDG 777-200LR with PMDG Default-Livery in Dubai with FlyTampa Scenery at Gate A1 in VC:

Without Hotfix:
14:00 o'clock - 36/37 FPS
04:00 o'clock - 38FPS (All Lights on!)

With Hotfix:
14:00 o'clock - 39 FPS
04:00 o'clock - 38FPS (All Lights on!)

Here my settings:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/7o9jbtew.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/znav7mhu.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/y8r2ojgw.png
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170627/6t7oromv.png

Here my system:
Intel Core i7 7700K
MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
Asus8GB D5X GTX 1080 STRIX AG
G.Skill DIMM 32 GB DDR4-2133 Kit
P3D installiert auf: SSD 500GB 1.8/3.2G 960 EVO PCIe M.2 SAM


Somebody wrote in the facebook group that he gaint 10-15FPS more with the Hotfix. I couldn't confirm this yet.
I hope that something like the load into a dead cockpit or some P3D.exe/.dll problems together with some background things for developers are solved but more frames? Nope! :)

No fps drop with all lights on? Wow. I just tested mine on the runway (32 FPS) and I still get the 15 FPS drop when turning on the landing lights. Do you get the drop when on the runway and turn landing lights on? Granted my videocard is a 1060 but still.

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Will try it out. But unfortunately I cannot compare it without the Hotfix. :/

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Looks like the Fly Tampa scenery was not compiled according to the P3D v4 SDK.

Bob Lyons

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16 hours ago, bobl454 said:

Looks like the Fly Tampa scenery was not compiled according to the P3D v4 SDK.

Bob Lyons

Neither was the majority of the default scenery - most of it is still using models compiled for FSX.

Perhaps if you go and read the most recent posts in the thread on that you'll understand the issue better. The FPS drop has much more to do with complexity of the scenery than what SDK was used (And the fact that dynamic lighting places a *huge* load on the graphics card when you're rendering areas of the scale that P3D needs)- the sceneries that cause problems mostly do so because they were already incorrectly built in older versions of the sim or use very old versions of model formats from pre-FS9 which are no longer compatible.

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22 hours ago, xkoote said:

No fps drop with all lights on? Wow. I just tested mine on the runway (32 FPS) and I still get the 15 FPS drop when turning on the landing lights. Do you get the drop when on the runway and turn landing lights on? Granted my videocard is a 1060 but still.

I have 1060 OC and don't see that much of a drop in FPS with 8XMSAA to be honest.

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I'll check my settings and retest. But with all lights I mean, landing, taxi, turnoff, beacon, nav, logo and wing. 

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Everyone is a technical genius and tester! Just fly and quit worrying about your FPS. No one cares about your FPS except you and there are no awards for having great FPS.

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1 hour ago, mleuck said:

Everyone is a technical genius and tester! Just fly and quit worrying about your FPS. No one cares about your FPS except you and there are no awards for having great FPS.

Speak for yourself. A huge amount of development and fixes would never happen if nobody bothered to share their experiences and performance data with each other

Comments like this serve to do nothing but stifle progress and sense of community, which unless I'm mistaken, is why we have forums and not just support tickets.

We can all stand to learn something from each other, no matter how long we've been posting or simming.

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4 hours ago, mleuck said:

Everyone is a technical genius and tester! Just fly and quit worrying about your FPS. No one cares about your FPS except you and there are no awards for having great FPS.

 

3 hours ago, markdf said:

Speak for yourself. A huge amount of development and fixes would never happen if nobody bothered to share their experiences and performance data with each other

Comments like this serve to do nothing but stifle progress and sense of community, which unless I'm mistaken, is why we have forums and not just support tickets.

We can all stand to learn something from each other, no matter how long we've been posting or simming.

sorry markdf, but I must a little bit agree with mlueck.

It's toilsome to discuss about FPS because, I can bet everything!, there are none 2 similar PC's with the same CPU, GPU, Memory, etc. nor the same addons on it.

So everybody have other FPS on his system. One more, other less FPS with the same plane. 

Again: it's toilsome, yes it's annoying to discuss about this in the thread.

Make a new one titled "who have with FPS with which system, addons, OC, etc" and discuss there about FPS.

 

No offense, and have a nice weekend

Charly

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14 hours ago, mleuck said:

Everyone is a technical genius and tester! Just fly and quit worrying about your FPS. No one cares about your FPS except you and there are no awards for having great FPS.

It is funny that you say no one cares while you still post ;-). That is one, second of all of all the posts before you, they all cared. So the "No one, except" applies more to you. Furthermore I bet that you don't have a minimum spec PC, but the best one you are allowed to have because you too care about your gaming experience. 

This wasn't a lets compare FPS post, it was a post for those that have switched to v4 and are optimizing and tweaking their own PC's given the new and changing environment and updates. Just as users have been doing since the advent of discussion forums. FPS isn't affected by hardware only, but by in game settings too. And those are equal across v4, as is their impact trend,

 

Cheers,

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15 hours ago, mleuck said:

Everyone is a technical genius and tester! Just fly and quit worrying about your FPS. No one cares about your FPS except you and there are no awards for having great FPS.

Uneducated comment.

Congrats anonymous, I think it's the worse of the month.

 

On 6/27/2017 at 11:58 PM, LH747fan said:

My feedback for the Hotfix:

Timm, confirm those FPS are during NIGHT?

If you do not experience the FPS drop with dynamic lights on, could it have something to do with your graphic card settings?

Could you please share your Nvidia Profile Inspector settings?

I have similar specs but I do have FPS drop in the night as reported by others from 30+ to around 18- FPS.

 

Thank you

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2 hours ago, Meekg said:

Timm, confirm those FPS are during NIGHT?

If you do not experience the FPS drop with dynamic lights on, could it have something to do with your graphic card settings?

Could you please share your Nvidia Profile Inspector settings?

I have similar specs but I do have FPS drop in the night as reported by others from 30+ to around 18- FPS.

 

Thank you

I wrote the time as well to the FPS.
So yes, it was in the night.

Will post my nVidia settings later

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Try a frame rate lock of 20.  Those drops into the teens will disappear I bet and animation is just as good at 20 as at 30 or higher.

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8 hours ago, LH747fan said:

I wrote the time as well to the FPS.
So yes, it was in the night.

Will post my nVidia settings later

Sorry I missed that, I guess it seemed too good to be true.

Looking forward to your GPU settings, thanks.

 

6 hours ago, downscc said:

Try a frame rate lock of 20.  Those drops into the teens will disappear I bet and animation is just as good at 20 as at 30 or higher.

Thanks Dan. It makes no difference in my case; in those situations where they would go below 20, it still goes below 20.

Besides, I might be crazy but I think I do see a difference in fluidity between 20 and above; maybe it's just psychological.

If some users do not face this problem, it must be something to do with their different settings.

Do the dev team has any insight information in regards or are they as clueless as we are? The silence is not really helping.

If they expect it to be fixed, I would be happy to peacefully wait, rather than try to figure out what's wrong with my setup.

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Just now, Meekg said:

It makes no difference in my case

Your display and display driver settings make a difference.  I cannot go higher than 4xMSAA AA setting for example.

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5 minutes ago, downscc said:

Your display and display driver settings make a difference.  I cannot go higher than 4xMSAA AA setting for example.

I use the same 4xMSAA; the FPS drop doesn't seem in any way linked to P3D settings (other than the dynamic lights activation of course).
I've tried changing all of them one by one with no luck... hopefully we can figure out if it's linked to some graphic card setting with Timm's help.

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Ditto,

I spent some time tooiling around today after reading an insightful post by Virtuali over at FSDT. It is indeed heavily dependent on AA and resolution. In small windowed mode it improved, also I run on a 55" at 4K. 

But Virtuali mentioned that times are changing and people expect to have the sliders set the same with newer versions and expect the same result. Which is not a correct statement. My SIM runs perfectly well at 4k with my 1060, but a requirement in performance of this magnitude for only a change in lighting is simply not correct so I still stand by PMDG's assessment regarding the SDK as opposed to FT and FSDT's stance. I guess we will wait and see. Because for me, turning off all AA/FXAA and lowering my resolution to 1920x1280 makes hardly any difference. Maybe and additional 5-7 FPS.

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On 6/28/2017 at 5:25 AM, xkoote said:

No fps drop with all lights on? Wow. I just tested mine on the runway (32 FPS) and I still get the 15 FPS drop when turning on the landing lights. Do you get the drop when on the runway and turn landing lights on? Granted my videocard is a 1060 but still.

He has a 1080 rendering P3D v4 at 1080p. That right there is why he sees no impact. I also have a 1080 but I run the sim at 4k. 30fps/hz all day long under all conditions. All lights ON with the PMDG's kicks this down to 26-27 with the resulting stutter as Vsync no longer holds. 

The 1080 is made to render games at 4k and more than capable to do it under all conditions with stellar performance. The issue with dynamic lights is based on the fact that the v4 engine is rendering these lights out to the maximum possible distance. Even when only set to be visible a few hundred feet. I hope LM comes around to correcting this in 4.1

Example being a single landing light on the PMDG -400, which is only visible 100-200 feet. Yet the v4 engine is doing the math out to 10000+ feet, with the resultant impact. 

Only made worse by higher resolutions and AA settings. 

No issues with a 1080 up to 1440p. Above that you will be 3-4fps short of 30 at night with the PMDG aircraft. 

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3 hours ago, calzonister said:

The 1080 is made to render games at 4k and more than capable to do it under all conditions with stellar performance. The issue with dynamic lights is based on the fact that the v4 engine is rendering these lights out to the maximum possible distance. Even when only set to be visible a few hundred feet. I hope LM comes around to correcting this in 4.1

The problem here is P3D is a simulator not a game, most games don't have anywhere near the calculations that P3D does. Plus, most games rely primarily on graphics card, P3D is heavily CPU based too.

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