divinglyc

No effect seen for the latest P3D v4.1 version

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Hi! I have been using fsfx immersions and other addon for a long time and I really appreciate it.

Today I bought immersion for Q400.( updated for P3D v4.1)

However, after starting the sim and I put myself in Tromso airport(ENTC) and it was a raining weather with snow on the ground.

I start the engine from cold and dark. Yet, I didn't notice and effect. Cold start smoke, Engine jet wash, Prop. vortices, Wheel spray, etc. Nothing there.

My FSUIPC version is up to date.

Is there anything wrong?

Thanks!

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Same here. I also can`t see effects in P3D4.1  (Q400 64bit, FSFX for Q400 installed successfully). Rain or snow or clear weather - does not matter, no one effect (also the default effect is gone ) ?

i see that FSFX has changed aircraft.cfg and added Effects folder 56 fx files (fsfx_Q400_........)

and aircraft.cfg here

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1 Beacon, 2 Strobe, 3 Navigation or Position, 4 Cockpit, 5 Landing, 6 Taxi, 7 Recognition, 8 Wing, 9 Logo,10 Cabin
//1  Longitudinal Position        (feet)
//2  Lateral Position             (feet)
//3  Vertical Position            (feet)
// MJC light assignment:
// 1 Red ACOL, 2 Flare light, 3 POS, 4 VC Dome, 5 Approach, 6 Taxi, 7 Flare, 8 Wing, 9 Logo, 10 Cabin


light.0 = 10, -11.0, 0.0, 3.0, mjc84_dome, // dome light. 3.5P3D, 3.0FSX
light.1 = 2, -12.75, -2.9, 1.0, mjc84_CPT_CB, // Captain CB panel light
light.2 = 8, -12.75, 2.9, 1.0, mjc84_CPT_CB, // Fo CB panel light
light.3=  1, -10.00, -1.5, 0.5, mjc84_READING_LT, // Left side light from reading and map
light.4 = 7, -10.00, 1.5, 0.5, mjc84_READING_LT, // Right side light from reading and map


[EFFECTS]
wake=fx_dummy
water=fx_dummy
dirt=fx_dummy
concrete=fx_dummy
//(Disabled by FSFX_PFX_Effect)//touchdown=fx_tchdwn, 1
//(Disabled by FSFX_Q400_Effect)touchdown=fx_dummy
touchdown=fx_dummy //FSFX_Q400_Effect
WheelSnowSpray=fx_dummy
WheelWetSpray=fx_dummy
contrail=fx_dummy
windshield_rain_effect_available=1
vaportrail_l=fx_dummy
vaportrail_r=fx_dummy
l_wingtipvortice=fx_dummy
r_wingtipvortice=fx_dummy
EngineFire=fx_dummy
WetEngineWash=fx_dummy
//(Disabled by FSFX_Q400_Effect)startup=fx_dummy
startup=fx_dummy //FSFX_Q400_Effect

SnowEngineWash = fsfx_PFX_3263496B6372304972726D3730684D4C74476972497363777170555745577935 //FSFX_PFX_Effect
SkidPavement = fsfx_PFX_77755038474E6775336E5A6C3231714C4F656D4E4E467A496B396568304E694C //FSFX_PFX_Effect

[smokesystem]  //FSFX_Q400_Effect
smoke.0 = -50.50, 0.00, 2.05, fsfx_Q400_.............
smoke.1 = -108.90, 0.00, 17.95, fsfx_Q400_--------------

and so on

.smoke.60 =..................

 

When in simulator pressing smokesystem "I", then for a moment you will see powerfully effects . Whether the effects should be at all times, not to be involved with a smokesystem?

What should be like that, that you need to press "I" and only then you see Q400 fsfx immersions ?

PS! In my P3D4.1 Effects options (special effects detail and distance) is set to MAX.

 

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I can see Wheel spray, contrail, Prop. vortice.

But not Engine cold start smoke(temp -6C), no Engine wash, and no wing condenser. And what is lateral jet blast? I have never seen it.

Is it normal??

 

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Are you guys using FS2Crew?

We are looking at a potential conflict between both products...

Regards,
Keven

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When I first got the Q400 immersion package (was using it in FSX before the P3D v4 version came out) I found that if my default flight was configured in a cold and dark state (in my case, using the default Maule Orion) with the battery switch off, the immersion package effects would not load, even with the engines running. I had to adjust my default saved flight so the battery was on and then the immersion package worked. I'm not sure but I think it might be because the effects are tied to the FSX/P3D smoke system, which may require the sim's battery "variable" to be on.

Your milieage may vary, it's just what worked for me... also the effects work beautifully for me in P3D v4.1.

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2 minutes ago, molleh said:

When I first got the Q400 immersion package (was using it in FSX before the P3D v4 version came out) I found that if my default flight was configured in a cold and dark state (in my case, using the default Maule Orion) with the battery switch off, the immersion package effects would not load, even with the engines running. I had to adjust my default saved flight so the battery was on and then the immersion package worked. I'm not sure but I think it might be because the effects are tied to the FSX/P3D smoke system, which may require the sim's battery "variable" to be on.

Your milieage may vary, it's just what worked for me... also the effects work beautifully for me in P3D v4.1.

We indeed observed very odd behaviors like this during development. The Smoke system requires the engines to be running for the effects to show. Because of the custom flight dynamic used in the Q400, the simulator variables aren't always following. We have worked with Majestic to fix those issues and they should no longer be present.

Can you confirm you are having the same issues in v4.1?

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I have no problems with any of the effects in P3D v4.1. They all work as they should.

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5 hours ago, Keven Menard said:

Are you guys using FS2Crew?

We are looking at a potential conflict between both products...

Regards,
Keven

No, I am not using Fs2crew..

Thanks!

 

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10 hours ago, Keven Menard said:

We indeed observed very odd behaviors like this during development. The Smoke system requires the engines to be running for the effects to show. Because of the custom flight dynamic used in the Q400, the simulator variables aren't always following. We have worked with Majestic to fix those issues and they should no longer be present.

Can you confirm you are having the same issues in v4.1?

Keven:

I notice sometimes I can see some of them, but occasionally, I see nothing, even if I press "I" key, nothing happened.....

I cannot tell what's making the difference because what I do is the same.

Thanks for helping!

Iching Lee

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Hello, 

Also I use the effects, nevertheless, seealso none, however, is of use Fs2crew. What has struck me this I every time vfxcentral by hand must start, then I gopurely to Sim and starts the Majestichtake out of vision ready, and useweather to Gray and Rainy the effectsare indicated. If I then, however, in theCold and Dark start one can select withMajestic, and has Fs2crew in addition innothing more is a matter running. Willthere be then Fixed to itself does not getin the way any more?

 

Greetings

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Hello 

I try setting on the I but still no effects , the other effects work on pmdg , also the registrator editor have found the P3d sim . I dont have fs 2 crew yet . No one of the effects are working in P3d 4.1 . Please help....! 

 

Regards Thomas 

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For me the effects work from time to time so I was thinking why is that?

After two days of testing (to be absolutely sure I was right) I found that the Q400 do not always register the engines as running even if they do.
Some times the engines register as on (Immersion works) then over and over again after startup the engines register in P3D v4.1 as off or NOT running.
You can test this by selecting the "User tips" in P3D Option/Information page, P3D will even after engine startup display the Engine startup tips.
If you use GSX you will see that you can start "GATE Services" even if the engines running but form time to time you will get the engines running message.
Also you can try to load in the default Piper Cub after you started the engines on your Q400. 

If after the change the engine on the Piper Cub is running then it's OK engines register as running and the smoke system works.
If after the change the engine on the Piper Cub is NOT running then engines register as NOT running and the smoke system will NOT work.

This have been tested (3 times) with a clean install of PrePar3D v. 4.1 and with a clean installation of the MJC 8 Q400 (no ChasePlane, or Immersion installed) with the same outcome.
 

So it's a problem with the Q400 in P3D v 4.1

PS ! I have never seen all the Immersion effects. 

      

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22 minutes ago, Sigma1958 said:

For me the effects work from time to time so I was thinking why is that?

After two days of testing (to be absolutely sure I was right) I found that the Q400 do not always register the engines as running even if they do.
Some times the engines register as on (Immersion works) then over and over again after startup the engines register in P3D v4.1 as off or NOT running.
You can test this by selecting the "User tips" in P3D Option/Information page, P3D will even after engine startup display the Engine startup tips.
If you use GSX you will see that you can start "GATE Services" even if the engines running but form time to time you will get the engines running message.
Also you can try to load in the default Piper Cub after you started the engines on your Q400. 

If after the change the engine on the Piper Cub is running then it's OK engines register as running and the smoke system works.
If after the change the engine on the Piper Cub is NOT running then engines register as NOT running and the smoke system will NOT work.

This have been tested (3 times) with a clean install of PrePar3D v. 4.1 and with a clean installation of the MJC 8 Q400 (no ChasePlane, or Immersion installed) with the same outcome.
 

So it's a problem with the Q400 in P3D v 4.1

PS ! I have never seen all the Immersion effects. 

      

Thank you so much for your detailed test! I have been experiencing exactly the same as you, however, I didn't know how to check the engine registry.

I never saw all of the effects too, just some, or none.

So right now we have to turn this issue to Majestic??

If so, could you please send them a ticket about this?

 

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Thank you very much for your research @Sigma1958. We have made some research on our end and the results are similar.

We have contacted them about it already.

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On 9. 11. 2017 at 5:15 PM, Tarnese123 said:

Hello 

I try setting on the I but still no effects , the other effects work on pmdg , also the registrator editor have found the P3d sim . I dont have fs 2 crew yet . No one of the effects are working in P3d 4.1 . Please help....! 

 

Regards Thomas 

I also don`t get any effects, other FSFX covered aircraft are fine (PMDG 737 and 777)... Any clues?

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I have contacted MJF about this and they will look at it.

I have also tested different startup scenarios and found one that works every time I have tested it :cool:.

Just start P3D select your airport etc.. select the Q400 version you want to use and load the scenario.

Then when it's loaded make the plane Cold and Dark : turn of all power also ground power, external power sw. generator sw. etc.., of with ignition and condition levers to CUT.

Save this Scenario and restart P3D
On the startup screen load the saved scenario when it's loaded you might see the external power generator wait for it to go away, if it's still there after a few seconds then you have forgot the external power sw. (turn it of save and try again).
Now you can do a Cold and Dark startup.

Regards Widar

 

PS. I still miss some effects !!!     

 

 

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3 hours ago, Sigma1958 said:

I have contacted MJF about this and they will look at it.

I have also tested different startup scenarios and found one that works every time I have tested it :cool:.

Just start P3D select your airport etc.. select the Q400 version you want to use and load the scenario.

Then when it's loaded make the plane Cold and Dark : turn of all power also ground power, external power sw. generator sw. etc.., of with ignition and condition levers to CUT.

Save this Scenario and restart P3D
On the startup screen load the saved scenario when it's loaded you might see the external power generator wait for it to go away, if it's still there after a few seconds then you have forgot the external power sw. (turn it of save and try again).
Now you can do a Cold and Dark startup.

Regards Widar

 

PS. I still miss some effects !!!     

 

 

Wow! Thanks so much for your dedication and experiment.

I have one question. Do I have to save and load a scenario when I change a different airport?

Thanks!

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Hi divinglyc,

Just load your saved scenario and move to any airport, parking position and time/date of your liking that works for me.

regards Widar 

 

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On 11/22/2017 at 10:44 PM, Sigma1958 said:

Hi divinglyc,

Just load your saved scenario and move to any airport, parking position and time/date of your liking that works for me.

regards Widar 

 

Thank you so much.

Hope there will be a fix so we don't have to do this later....

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I have built many explosion and exhaust effects in FSX P3D v2.5 and 3.4. I have now upgrade to v4.1 and while the FX tool can load any effect, hitting "Do Effect" does nothing (shows no effect) but it does play whatever wav is part of that effect at a very low volume that I cannot increase even with speakers up FULL.


Finally got my P3D v3.4 SDK working again and fx display properly with full sound. . . so something is different in v4.1. Even 4.1 fx loaded directly from the 4.1 effects folder do not display so it cannot be the fx itself but rather some other parameter or setting . . sound volume is extremely low   . .  but it's there.

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