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How to flare in the TDS 787?

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Hi there,

How do I flare the TDS 787 on landing?

Something is not right. Almost as soon as my back wheels touch the ground, the nose wheel slams straight down, making it almost impossible to make a smooth landing.

Any help is greatly appreciated. :)

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I find that most, if not all freeware 787's have an inherent problem:  The center of gravity is way off.  I believe this is due to use of the same model and/or config for every aircraft issued.  I purchased  the new Quality Wings 787, and the CoG seems to be correct....  

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8 hours ago, overspeed3 said:

I find that most, if not all freeware 787's have an inherent problem:  The center of gravity is way off.  I believe this is due to use of the same model and/or config for every aircraft issued.  I purchased  the new Quality Wings 787, and the CoG seems to be correct....  

Ok, what can be done about this?

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I would prefer to use the free TDS 787. I did look at the QW 787, but $100 is way too much.

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I have found one, and only one TDS aircraft worth flying...the 727-200.  I have tried the 737s and the

787s and found the best place for them was in the Recycle bin.

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5 hours ago, charliearon said:

I have found one, and only one TDS aircraft worth flying...the 727-200.  I have tried the 737s and the

787s and found the best place for them was in the Recycle bin.

I haven’t used the 727, but I have found their 737 to be one of the easiest aircraft to fly, once you get used to trimming before takeoff.

i have seen videos on YouTube of people landing the TDS 787 properly, so I know it can be done.

Any help is greatly appreciated. :)

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On 11/9/2017 at 3:41 PM, r22s7 said:

I would prefer to use the free TDS 787. I did look at the QW 787, but $100 is way too much.

It's not $100, it's $69.95. :huh:

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6 hours ago, Kyle Schurb said:

It's not $100, it's $69.95. :huh:

That’s in US dollars, which is over 90 Australian dollars. :(

Still, why spend that much when there is a perfectly good 787, if I can just fix this one problem.

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If it truly is a "center of gravity" problem, try emptying any forward fuel tank(s) before landing.   Keep excessive weight off of the nose gear.

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4 hours ago, charliearon said:

If it truly is a "center of gravity" problem, try emptying any forward fuel tank(s) before landing.   Keep excessive weight off of the nose gear.

I did try that, but I can't get the CG back far enough. :(

Like I said, I have seen videos of smooth landings in the TDS 787, so I know it can be done.

 

Any help is very much appreciated. :)

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I've pointed you to a few documents in my previous post. In order to fix the CG, you need to understand the flight dynamics in MSFS. Look at the location of payload stations, fuel tanks and anything else with mass and a spatial position on the aircraft.

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I have tried adjusting the default payload, and the CG does not move whatsoever. 

I really want to use this plane, but the flaring problem is ruining it for me.

I will keep this topic going until I have found a solution.

Any suggestions are very much appreciated. :smile:

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9 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Did you also read my posts?

Yes I did, but I didn't completely understand what was written in those links.

There should be a very simple way to fix this.

If someone has a link to a 787 (-8, -9 and -10 variants) with corrected CG, can they please provide it here?

Any other help is greatly appreciated. :)

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Nothing in the FS wrld comes simple, so if you want this fixed, you will have to do this yourself.

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6 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Nothing in the FS wrld comes simple, so if you want this fixed, you will have to do this yourself.

Yes, but I still don’t understand how.

I try adjusting the fuel and payload but it almost feels like there is a limit as to how far back it can go.

As far as I can tell, it is just a CG problem, but I can’t find any specific information on how to fix it.

I also found on the Facebook page for the TDS 787, another person with this problem, but they never mentioned they found a solution. :(

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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I just reread your first post.  Have you ever had a good landing with this aircraft?  You state that your nosewheel slams into the runway after the mains touch. What is your landing speed?  Sounds like you are over flaring to start with.  Just a little is needed so that the nosewheel touches a few seconds after the mains.

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Even with only a small amount of flare, I still slam into the runway. :(

My landing speed is about 160 KIAS.

 

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160 knots is way too fast.  Try 145 knots.  I was only successful once.  Every attempt after was a crash,  even with perfect flair.

I'm assuming it will take practice rather than .cfg editing.

Worst case scenario, you can download an autoland gauge and let the aircraft land itself.

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On 11/21/2017 at 0:54 AM, charliearon said:

160 knots is way too fast.  Try 145 knots.  I was only successful once.  Every attempt after was a crash,  even with perfect flair.

I'm assuming it will take practice rather than .cfg editing.

Worst case scenario, you can download an autoland gauge and let the aircraft land itself.

Well, even at 145 knots, I still slam into the runway.

This is not a problem I am going to give up on.

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Fixed it!

I went to download an autoland gauge, and in the readme for the gauge, there was information about correcting the CG by adjusting the wing apex value. I tried this, and my CG moved to the right spot, and I was able to land with proper flare.

Thanks for your help. :)

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Why would it only occasionally work?

Sometimes I can flare, and sometimes I slam down. :huh:

I think I may not have the wing apex setting quite right. I will do a couple of test flights and report back.

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