1 minute ago, JoeFackel said:

I don't understand this confusion: if REX says you have to left SF open to work properly than it should be info enough, period.

That's indeed enough for most of us.  

9 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

I don't understand this confusion: if REX says you have to left SF open to work properly than it should be info enough, period.

Yes it should be and Alex Kane has also confirmed it needs to be open and in doing so gives even more variety and even more variety to come, but its still not good enough for J..O no  J is hell bent on trying to show the developer is lying or misleading us. So his comments and probably any from them will never be enough!

34 minutes ago, J van E said:

You'd think that file manipulation would have to be visible.

Not necessarily, could be very subtle without changing the timestamps. Besides, the XML files are only two in several hundred assets. My P3D crashes with SF are very real, so there is definitely something happening somewhere.

34 minutes ago, J van E said:

But I find it odd that they don't give a clear answer and don't say I am wrong with my line of thinking

Protection of intellecutal property. What would be the point of payware if you tell everyone how it is done. And a bit of myth never hurt product sales either.

Best regards

4 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

What would be the point of payware if you tell everyone how it is done.

Not all payware contains intellectual property. You usually pay for the time it took to create content.

7 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Yes it should be and Alex Kane has also confirmed it needs to be open and in doing so gives even more variety and even more variety to come, but its still not good enough for J..O no  Unless your hell bent on trying to show a developer is lying or misleading us. Then it will never be enough!

I don't see what's wrong with asking a few questions. I am just curious. Some people take everything for granted: I don't. Please, don't let that bother you!  

6 minutes ago, J van E said:

Not all payware contains intellectual property. You usually pay for the time it took to create content.

That is an interesting notion. I suggest that you try to explain this to a painter, a writer or a composer. They are also "creating content".

In reality it is quite the contrary, every simulator addon is deemed intellectual property, freeware and payware alike, no matter if it is content or programmatic in nature. You as the user are bound by the license regulations that the creator sets for you. Not abilding by the license restrictions has the same consequences for programs, pictures, music, movies.

But be that as it may - the SF functionality in question is a programmatic one, and the SF application source code, even in "pseudo" form, is not for you. But I suppose that you could buy it off REX studios, if the price is right.

Best regards

8 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

That is an interesting notion. I suggest that you try to explain this to a painter, a writer or a composer. They are also "creating content".

In reality it is quite the contrary, every simulator addon is deemed intellectual property, freeware and payware alike, no matter if it is content or programmatic in nature. You as the user are bound by the license regulations that the creator sets for you. Not abilding by the license restrictions has the same consequences for programs, pictures, music, movies.

But be that as it may - the SF functionality in question is a programmatic one, and the SF application source code, even in "pseudo" form, is not for you. But I suppose that you could buy it off REX studios, if the price is right.

Best regards

Very true but I was talking about flightsim addons and that it seems to me they mainly contain content, not 'secret' things. (And btw a writer or composer usually also doesn't use a 'secret method' to get things done: they don't get paid for how they do it but for what they create.) Of course legally 'every simulator addon is deemed intellectual property' as you put it.  And yes, of course REX doesn't have to tell my anything about how SF works. But that doesn't mean that I can't ask questions.

But well, since some of the forum members seem to be highly annoyed by my curiosity I'll probably leave it at this.  Unless, as I said before, someone has interesting questions. 

36 minutes ago, J van E said:

But well, since some of the forum members seem to be highly annoyed by my curiosity I'll probably leave it at this.  Unless, as I said before, someone has interesting questions. 

Jeroen, just to let you know you are not alone.

I followed your inquiries on this from day one with great interest and appreciation. I have the same questions and doubts as you have. And I also find it frustrating that there were no definite and substantiated answers by the REX team so far.

 

Currently I am using Skyforce like I used all REX products before: I inject the REX contents before starting the sim and then close the REX product. I enjoy the nice new cloud appearance by Skyforce.

And as long as no-one explains to me substantially what I miss without Skyforce running - I am not able to see anything myself -, I won't keep it running.

Just because the less apps are running, the better it is performance-wise and stability-wise. I never run an app if I don't know why I should do it. In particular here with Skyforce I am also one of those who had P3D crashing to desktop when Skyforce was running in the background. So I won't take that risk as long as nobody explains to me substantially why I should.

 

Keep on asking Jeroen!

 

4 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

I don't understand this confusion: if REX says you have to left SF open to work properly than it should be info enough, period.

Ah, Joe, you are forgetting the curse that afflicts ardent simmer: the enquiring mind and the desire to know how things work! Flight Simulation is not just a hobby to be taken simply at face value; for many it’s an all consuming passion that seems forever unfulfilled..lol!

It’s quite possible that a definitive answer from REX may never materialise. Understandably, and for many legitimate reasons, this also is likely to remain the case. While dismissing the suggestion that this might prove to be ‘fake news’, my inclination is to believe their statement to be factually correct, accept it and move on. After all, they are a good bunch with an abundance of creative ideas and have served us well over many years. Historically, and notwithstanding the restrictions imposed by advertising hyperbole, I believe they have never giving us cause for any serious concern about the veracity of their statements.

In the end, I believe the answer will reveal itself to us as we become more acquainted with the relationship REX SF3D has with our preferred Weather App and P3D. We may never be privy to the nuts and bolts of how stuff is accomplished, but knowing that the weather depiction equation will never be satisfied without certain elements being in place should be enough.

Regards,

Mike

What do we have here in SF? A program that affects performance and visuals - period.

So, other than just simple curiosity - *IF* you like your visuals and *IF* your performance is fine - who cares what is going on?

Has anyone bothered to count the textures displayed? Are we getting the full amount REX claims?

Simple answer -  try the product with and without it running in the background - if you see a difference and if it really matters to you - choose THAT method.

As I said - visuals and performance - if you are satisfied - that's all that matters.

I think this one has run it's course - I doubt if either of the main contributors are  going to sway the other.

Vic