Yes, it was pretty painless and the scenery looks great. Good fps with 100% ai. Now I just have to get rid off the addon manager. Off to their forums I suppose.

I am one of those people that did contact your forum as far back as Oct 2005 and explained that all the approach ILS data had been destroyed (and why) with the release of EHAM. Do a search on jvile.Answers like this from Cloud9 staff and I quote "Absolutely not true. As you know (and as our team explained in the manual and in many topics of this forum), the ATC system of FS is limited."The FS9 ATC when renaming runways is NOT limited but you refuse to acknowledge that fact so there is no need to discuss it any futher on your forum.However we do discuss it on many other forums which is not to critize the scenery but to answer questions on why the entire approach system of your EHAM as been corrupted and in some cases cause a CTD.I will defend FS9 when I see scenery designers continue to blame Microsoft when it is a fact that the airport scenery is the problem and it can be fixed. You first have to admit it is broke in order to fix it.That requires understanding how the Approach data is written, who owns it in FS9 and how it impacts both the user Airplane and all the AI Traffic that flys into a 3rd party airport.

Does the Cloud9 KLAX have1. Issues with ILS and what not? (I could care less whose fault it is. MS or C9).2. Is the install and activation a pain (what is the process?)I want to buy this KLAX. But would like know the answers to 1 and 2.Thanks.Manny

>It was suggested to Cloud9 both privately and publicly on>their forums. I don't know to whom you have talked to, but I can't find any message on Cloud9 public forum asking about adding approaches at EHAM.Maybe you got a private reply from a normal support guy, who haven't asked to the actual developer.>How to update or replace approaches has been well known and>documented for over two years. Of course it is. I agree it would be better having those, provided of course people are interested. 99% of the suggestions for EHAM came from people asking 1) how to remove the City, if needed and 2) getting better fps. They've got both in the first patch that was released about 2 weeks from release.>It does require that the scenery designer understand the>entire FS system and actually give a danged about putting out>a good complete product."Complete" can have a different meaning to different people, if the users interested in specific things are not voicing their opinions, a developer can only guess what are the user's demands. Don't think for a minute that Cloud9 didn't included the approaches because they don't *know* how to do that.>if it can be verified that they>didn't mess up too badly.Quite easily, the Trial version is free to download for everybody. A clarification maybe it's in order: the 7 minutes trial period doesn't ever end. You can make thousands of flights of 7 minutes each, and, in your case (if you are interested in evaluating the approach procedures) doesn't change how the approaches will work, meaning they will still work after the trial time has elapsed.>But maybe you are saying Cloud9 only designs scenery for>people who have ATC addons or fly on-line with real ATC.>Guess that leaves a lot of people out of the mix.As I've said, if these people do not complain, or are simply too few, it's difficult to estimate if adding a feature is worth the work or not.

>I am one of those people that did contact your forum as far>back as Oct 2005 and explained that all the approach ILS data>had been destroyed (and why) with the release of EHAM. Do a>search on jvile.I found your message, but that is a completely different issue: I think (if I have understood correctly) Reggie asked about the missing set of procedures for the new set of runways, those that are programmed using XML and they appear on the default GPS or during the approach under the default ATC control.Your question was an entirely different problem and it's something that needs to be solved on the AFCAD level, it doesn't have anything to do with the set of procedures, but rather to the fact EHAM Afcad uses fake runways to allow for simultanous approaches in crossed runways.You had a discussion on C9 forum with harpsi, that is just a beta tester, who is a lot into afcad designed, and he did, as a courtesy, the afcad files that came with EHAM.I'm not the developer for EHAM, although I work with C9 for special features of the sceneries, but I wasn't too happy having such a complex Afcad files, I would rather keep it simpler.With KLAX, fortunately, there's no such risk, because there aren't any crossed runways, and nothing out of the ordinary is required in the included afcad to work. Also, at KLAX there wasn't the added complication of runway renaming, so there wasn't any need to touch the existing navaids or runway positions and approaches.

>Yes, it was pretty painless and the scenery looks great. Good>fps with 100% ai. Now I just have to get rid off the addon>manager. Off to their forums I suppose.I'm afraid you can't. The Addon manager on the surface looks like is only needed to Buy the product. It's obvious an user could be lead to think this way, because this is the only part having an user interface.But, the Addon Manager does a lot more, it's some sort of "FSUIPC for sceneries", it provides the product with informations needed to activate some features. For example it does:- provide the means of having a fully working Trial version that is exactly like the real thing, without removing anything- provide the scenery with information about the user aircraft in order to have intelligent gates without having to dial a radio frequency, start the animations triggered by the parking brakes, etc.- provide the scenery with information about rain/snow conditions, not used at KLAX right now (thanks to the beautiful California weather), but at Lugano, for example, ice blocks will appear it it's snowing. Other future product could probably do more- provide the scenery with information about where the AI traffic is. EHAM and KLAX have service/catering vehicles that not only appear close to the user's aircraft, but also appear for the AI airplane, provided they are at the gate with the engines off! This means the airport will always be "live" and different.- provide the scenery with special events, timed or random. At KLAX is used to create the random colors for the night lighting of restourant and the colored pillars.- many things other sceneries sometimes have to do with slow interpreted bgl code are now done at the DLL level, with fast compiled c++ code, saving a bit of fps.In brief, Addon Manager is used not only as a buying module, but is an essential part of the scenery, that cannot work without it.

>- provide the scenery with information about the user aircraft>in order to have intelligent gates without having to dial a>radio frequency, start the animations triggered by the parking>brakes, etc.>>- provide the scenery with information about rain/snow>conditions, not used at KLAX right now (thanks to the>beautiful California weather), but at Lugano, for example, ice>blocks will appear it it's snowing. Other future product could>probably do more>>- provide the scenery with information about where the AI>traffic is. EHAM and KLAX have service/catering vehicles that>not only appear close to the user's aircraft, but also appear>for the AI airplane, provided they are at the gate with the>engines off! This means the airport will always be "live" and>different.>>- provide the scenery with special events, timed or random. At>KLAX is used to create the random colors for the night>lighting of restourant and the colored pillars.>>- many things other sceneries sometimes have to do with slow>interpreted bgl code are now done at the DLL level, with fast>compiled c++ code, saving a bit of fps.>>In brief, Addon Manager is used not only as a buying module,>but is an essential part of the scenery, that cannot work>without it.>>OK, sounds cool.

No not you guys.Im getting some major stutters or more like 3 or 4 jerks when I get about 1/4 mile from the runway and they continue to just past the touch down area then it clears up.High end system running other Flytampa,simflyers ect without this problem.I even turned down all my graphics settings so the area looked like a big field with no buildings,autogen ect.My fps is sky high but Im still getting those stutters.I also notice the LAX "filling in" like the graphics are loading from a distance.

How does WideView users use this product?I installed it, tried it out and was going to order it. Bang! Problem.I can't use this with WideView without buying 3 copies It looks like.Manny

>Im getting some major stutters or more like 3 or 4 jerks when>I get about 1/4 mile from the runway and they continue to just>past the touch down area then it clears up.something is not right, because I really can't see this, and (judging from the few messages already posted here) nobody seems to have this problem, on the opposite, they appear to be quite happy of the performances, considering how big and complex this airport his, and how good it looks.>High end system running other Flytampa,simflyers ect without>this problem.On my system (AMD 3500+ 2GB RAM, GF7800 GTX), with full sliders, at 1600x1200 FSAA2x Aniso8x, I have 30 fps steady without any stuttering with AI off, and 20 fps steady without any stuttering with 100% Ultimate Traffic schedule with models changed using AIaardwark and EvolveAI when possibile. Also, I'm using FS Global, Ultimate Terrain USA, Flight Environment and Ground Environment.>I also notice the LAX "filling in" like the graphics are>loading from a distance.Is loading from distance, but is fully optimzed with multiple LOD levels, the farthest LOD is really very light on polygons.I suggest posting for help in the Cloud9 forum, it will be easier to follow you from there, it's basically impossibile for a developer to monitor each forum out there looking for users needing support. Even if you only got the Trial version, you are still entitled having support, the forum is open to everybody.

>How does WideView users use this product?>I installed it, tried it out and was going to order it. >I can't use this with WideView without buying 3 copies It>looks like.There are special prices for multilicensing available exactly for that purpose, the second licence comes at a very reduced price, third it's reduced even more, and subsequent ones are almost free. I suggest you contact Cloud9 sales by email for details, they will instruct you how to order multilicences at a reduced price.

I purchased it.I gave up on the Cloud9 site. Its one of those that refuses to remember my password. I get a new one, log in, then after I type a message, it ask me again for my username/pass. Which is always wrong.

>I gave up on the Cloud9 site. Its one of those that refuses to>remember my password. I get a new one, log in, then after I>type a message, it ask me again for my username/pass. Which is>always wrong.It's not the Cloud9 site that doesn't remember your password, it's probably your PC that is not properly configured to accept session cookies. If you have this problem with other websites as well, this seems to be the problem, try to check your browser settings to accept cookies, and the forum should work. Also (I'm not sure about Cloud9, but it's very common), many forums requires the account to be activated the first time before posting, by clicking on the activation link that is usually sent by email automatically by the forum software.

Thanks.Ive been flying the pattern changing settings ect, my bag of tricks. Still have that annoying predictable studdering starting right off the runway. Its not a fps stutter like you would get anytime you are around a high density area but as if something is being accessed. 3 or 4 stutters and its gone. Do not get it taking off nearly as bad but on short final.

Although KLAX is not at risk, what is Cloud9 going to do about the vfr only runway conditions at EHAM? My intention isn't to hijack this thread about KLAX, but the thread started by KingCat on the Cloud9 forum specifically questioned the inability of EHAM scenery to allow FS ATC to issue an ILS approach during IMC and nothing was resolved.I understand why Jim was not willing to help when Alberto Sangalli said that FS is limited. However, Harpsi was very willing to understand and learn more about XML files for the approach data and how to match them to his AFCAD files once Jim explained the problem. Apparently, the thread ends with no solution.If NL2000 addressed the issue, and Jim has provided many solutions to many airports, including EHAM, why hasn't Cloud9 implemented the options available? For example, if one downloads Jim's EHAM file from the AVSIM library, it includes the instructions needed to install the approach fix into 3rd party scenery. All that's needed is for a "compatible" AFCAD file to synch with the XML file, meaning it requires the support of the developer (or a non-developer willing to modify the AFCAD provided by the developer).Before we hear that this was never an issue, KingCat very clearly stated it was a problem and he was seeking a solution.Bruce