flyerguy7773

Tomato shade? been outta the loop

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Been outta the loop for the last couple of months, doing a fresh install of p3d since some things are wonky - what is up with tomato shade/word on it/do you use it with URP and PTA and whatnot? Worth it? If I get it...what are the best presets out there for it too? thx.

 

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Good questions.  I would add: How does it compare with ENVSHADE?

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It is a replacement for PTA/Envshade. At this point, it has more features than those payware products.

Most notable is adding/improving reflections and PBR-like effects.

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2 hours ago, snapshot21 said:

It is a replacement for PTA/Envshade. At this point, it has more features than those payware products.

Most notable is adding/improving reflections and PBR-like effects.

Never heard of it. Is there a link for it ?

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Here's version 21, from Tomato's own Dropbox. You need to hit "Check for Updates" inside the application to update to version 22.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fijbvdxosg07opd/TomatoShade.zip

Make sure you check out the readme, for all the dynamic reflections / reflection profile details.

- It's NOT compatible with URP or any other P3D shader modifications

- There's Tomato's presets included

- Be sure you also read the included notes with the preset, how to properly prepare the shaders on your first run

- It IS compatible with ReShade, in case anyone was wondering

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Thanks for posting the shader.  I assume I can use it without PTA right?

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4 minutes ago, Skywolf said:

Thanks for posting the shader.  I assume I can use it without PTA right?

Yes, it's a completely separate program and way of modifying shaders. They are not compatible, so I would suggest working off of a clean ShadersHLSL folder.

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33 minutes ago, Sethos1988 said:

Here's version 21, from Tomato's own Dropbox. You need to hit "Check for Updates" inside the application to update to version 22.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fijbvdxosg07opd/TomatoShade.zip

Make sure you check out the readme, for all the dynamic reflections / reflection profile details.

- It's NOT compatible with URP or any other P3D shader modifications

- There's Tomato's presets included

- Be sure you also read the included notes with the preset, how to properly prepare the shaders on your first run

- It IS compatible with ReShade, in case anyone was wondering

Thank you for this.

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Thanks so much for all this info, looks like I will be getting rid of PTA+URP, keeping ReShade...question is should I uninstall reShade, install tomato and reinstall reshade? how do I make sure my ShadersHLSL folder is clean?

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4 hours ago, flyerguy7773 said:

Thanks so much for all this info, looks like I will be getting rid of PTA+URP, keeping ReShade...question is should I uninstall reShade, install tomato and reinstall reshade? how do I make sure my ShadersHLSL folder is clean?

Well be prepared that with tomato shade and the reflections you have to setup dynamic lightning in P3D which is flawed to say the very least.

So be prepared for a nice reflection on the aircraft with medium to ultra settings, however you will have a FPS penalty
and some odd weird effects due to the errors in dynamic lightning system in P3D 😉

At this point it's nice for screenshots but that's about it...

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Just where is the official page for TomatoShade.  I can't find it on google

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Well be prepared that with tomato shade and the reflections you have to setup dynamic lightning in P3D which is flawed to say the very least.

So be prepared for a nice reflection on the aircraft with medium to ultra settings, however you will have a FPS penalty
and some odd weird effects due to the errors in dynamic lightning system in P3D 😉

At this point it's nice for screenshots but that's about it...

Dynamic Lighting has nothing to do with this, you may be confusing it with reflections, which is another option. And I disagree your painting of it like it's full of errors. The system and effect works really well but obviously, if you aren't outside your plane much, it won't have much of an impact, visually. It changes how P3D's dynamic reflections work, so you can't apply that logic to how this work exactly. But yes, you will need the additional GPU overhead to handle the reflections.

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1 hour ago, Skywolf said:

Just where is the official page for TomatoShade.  I can't find it on google

Doesn't exist.

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All my remarks are still in place that the system is flawed and I don't agree with you Sethos 1988, as for the lightning system you are correct I actually mend the dynamic reflection / lightning system.

With those shaders in place you will have distortions and weird effects... Be not surprised that we see also some adjustment also in the next generation of P3D 😉

 

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6 minutes ago, awf said:

All my remarks are still in place that the system is flawed and I don't agree with you Sethos 1988, as for the lightning system you are correct I actually mend the dynamic reflection / lightning system.

😉

So what did you find flawed about it when you used TomatoShade?

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... saw too late its an old tpic. edited

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is there any way to apply only the tomato-optimization tweaks over envshade? I tried to apply envshade then to tick tomato-optimization tweaks and apply them it results in resetting default shaders.

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Hi,

My personal opinion is that it is a good add on for visual effects, but "eating" the fpm too much especially on relatively weak machines. 

I would like to share also that there is no proper support for the error messages yet, or at least I could not find such. There was a red text after starting the main program saying "something went wrong" and that was it. Mistakes with some shudder files were listed also, but I could not find any way how to fix them. Whatever I tried to do after that was pointless.

Another concern is how the installation works in general. It has no any signs in Programs, which makes the entire thing a bit dim and especially how it can be removed from the machine.

Hope someone can comment.

 

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I tried it yesterday and this looks like an alternative to PTA, with additional features (reflections, etc.), can anyone tell me if there are any advantages to using Tomato for the VC? I saw that there was a VC Option in the Dynamic Reflection Maker but the documentation seem to indicate there are no advantages for VC... is that the case? I am not completely sure that Tomato can make things better in the VC.

One thing that I noticed that was really nice and I wish PTA had, was the ability to tune the raindrops (I played with the settings and the rain drops in the FSL A319 VC was more realistic)

Thanks for any feedback!

John.

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