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Hi Bryan - I continue to have issues with version 1.5.  The FO is not consistent in performing his duties for some reason.  He will get through the pre-flight on most occasions but then things go wrong.  I just did 2 flights over the past day and on the first one he stopped performing any duties on Taxi check.  The second flight he stopped on the 'Before start check'. After I confirmed 'approved' on the startup and pushback clearance he does not do any tasks. Cycling through the sections does not solve the problem.  The only thing that fixes it is going back to version 1.3.  I am using the latest version of the Maddog but this has been happening ever since FS2C version 1.4 came out.  I use voice control and have confirmed no mute buttons are on, etc. Just wondering if you had any ideas on this.  Otherwise I will continue to use 1.3 which seems to work perfectly.  I'd like the option to turn lights on at 10k but assume nothing can be edited on version 1.3 for that?

Thanks!

 

Eric

 

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Can you triple confirm you're following the manual "to the letter"?

 

 

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9 hours ago, byork said:

Can you triple confirm you're following the manual "to the letter"?

 

 

Hi - Did anything significant change  in the manual between 1.3 and 1.5?  Like I said, 1.3 works just fine and I use the Flows/Checklist that Mark W. put together (ver 1.5 from 3/23/18).  I have also tried stating 'set and checked' which does not help in this case.  I have also tried numerous sim restarts and the problem continued. Thanks! 

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The Change Log is here, and nothing drastic changed in the manual:

 

Also, when things stopped working, did you still see things in the Green Bar when you spoke?

 

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7 hours ago, byork said:

The Change Log is here, and nothing drastic changed in the manual:

 

Also, when things stopped working, did you still see things in the Green Bar when you spoke?

 

Oddly I don't get the green bar at all with 'DSP' turned on even on the 1.3 version which works fine....

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So when you talk you don't see a "Green Bar" that shows what the system is detecting.

I think there's an option in FSUIPC somewhere to disable the green bar.  Maybe you checked it.

Did you read the FAQs links above?

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23 hours ago, byork said:

So when you talk you don't see a "Green Bar" that shows what the system is detecting.

I think there's an option in FSUIPC somewhere to disable the green bar.  Maybe you checked it.

Did you read the FAQs links above?

Bryan - OK, I figured out the green bar issue, that is an option within P3D I had unchecked for some reason (maybe by default??).  I reinstalled the latest FS2C version 1.5 to run another test.  All was fine initially as usual until I got to the Taxi Check.  At the 'Flaps and Slats' command I responded "11 degrees takeoff" (which did in fact show up on the green bar) and FO did not answer and I tried several times.  I finally said 'set and checked' and that did work to get him moving again,  When I announced 'Cabin Crew seats for takeoff'...although this showed in the green bar the FO did not perfom his tasks.  Lineup check worked OK and all worked until climbout.  FO would not respond or act on any of my normal commands (Gear up, Arm navigation, retract flaps etc).  He responded to 'Climb Check' but did not do a single item on the check.  Pretty much from there on out he did not do any of his duties although he would respond at times such as for the Descent Check and Approach check.  And again, all of my commands were showing up on the display bar,  The FO just did not do anything at all.

I went through FAQ's but did not see anything that applied to me.  Again...all seems to work on version 1.3 so I am confused why the FO is failing in 1.5.  Just wanted to give you some more details on what was happening.  I will go back to 1.3 again for now.  Thanks for any further help on this one!

Eric

 

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Hi Eric,

Only thing I can think of is you're not in the right "mode" as shown on the FS2Crew Main Panel.  

Are you keeping the FS2Crew Main Panel open so you can see what "mode" you're in?

If not, please do so and try again.

Maddog is currently getting set to release SP1.  We'll be releasing an update for that shortly.

 

And 

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11 hours ago, byork said:

Hi Eric,

Only thing I can think of is you're not in the right "mode" as shown on the FS2Crew Main Panel.  

Are you keeping the FS2Crew Main Panel open so you can see what "mode" you're in?

If not, please do so and try again.

Maddog is currently getting set to release SP1.  We'll be releasing an update for that shortly.

 

And 

Hi - The mode was correct and I even tried scrolling through to get him to reset with no luck.  I will reinstall 1.3 for now since that seems to work.  I know this is a strange issue as I have FS2C for numerous aircraft and it has always worked flawlessly.  Will wait for the MD updates and try it again!  Thanks!

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I’m having issues, very similar to this. Sometimes the FO does his flows, sometimes he doesn’t. Maybe related to the latest maddogx beta update?

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As far I know, the only real issue with the the latest Maddog beta is the Doors not working right and some Dial A Flap logic changed.

Everything else should work fine.

 

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On ‎10‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 5:46 AM, byork said:

Maddog is currently getting set to release SP1.  We'll be releasing an update for that shortly

Well, I was hoping all the new updates would fix this issue but unfortunately I am still having the same problem.  The FO just stops responding and performing tasks at various points.  With the new Maddog installed and latest FS2C update it happened at the 'Before Start check'.  The FO would not perform his Before Start tasks even though he verbally responded.  The correct mode was showing and I skipped to the next mode and then again he does not perform anything.    Sometimes he will give me verbal responses and sometimes not but it seems like when this problem starts he will never again do any FO tasks.  I may have to go back to 1.3 again and see if that works as it seemed to work much better than the latest versions.

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I am having the exact same problem with latest MaddogX and FS2C.  No FO flows being conducted during PF but load sheet, boarding etc all work as well as responses from FO like Departure Brief.  Before start checklist Above the Line is never completed.  I’m a long time PMDG FS2C user so not a total beginner here..

i did have one session where FO did flows, but I have no idea what triggered it as my flows have been the same..

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4 hours ago, MikeWings said:

I am having the exact same problem with latest MaddogX and FS2C.  No FO flows being conducted during PF but load sheet, boarding etc all work as well as responses from FO like Departure Brief.  Before start checklist Above the Line is never completed.  I’m a long time PMDG FS2C user so not a total beginner here..

i did have one session where FO did flows, but I have no idea what triggered it as my flows have been the same..

One person said he had a flows problem when using Track IR.  Another uses Track IR with no problems.

Any clue there?

 

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I did not have ANY add-ons running when I tested this with the exception of CHASEPLANE.  I spent most of the morning trying to isolate the problem and completely deleted both MADDOGX and FS2C, then reinstalled both and did a C&D startup following the checklist exactly.  The first time running the sim after clean installation the FO Flows worked, but not at all after that.  On this first event I ran a complete flight and FO followed Flows and my commands properly.  Nothing after this first flight.

The FS2C window comes up properly on C&D and asks for connection of AC Power.  Once power is connected FS2C goes to PRE START (B).  After power is connected, I started the PF and the counter starts but no FO comes aboard and no flows happen.  FO will answer GREAT, and DEPARTURE BRIEF.  Other actions for load sheet, boarding, Proper Fuel, etc all happen, but no FO FLOWS.

I am going to make a video of the process and upload to YouTube and will post a link to it here to show what is going on but having tried most every combination of what I can think of that might change this, the FO is very consistently AWOL.



 

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1 hour ago, MikeWings said:

The first time running the sim after clean installation the FO Flows worked, but not at all after that.  On this first event I ran a complete flight and FO followed Flows and my commands properly.  Nothing after this first flight.

 

I believe this is happening to you, but the question is why.  Something is being "saved" somewhere after your first flight that is knocking the FO out.  

Are you using saved panel states?  Sometimes those things can mess things up.  I generally recommend not using saved panel states.

Try it without ChasePlane.

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Thanks for believing in me 😉  ... I am not using any saved panel states.  Just trying to start from the selected raw aircraft config.  

After my usual, waking up in the middle of the night and thinking about what might be different, this morning I started a raw flight and in the configuration panel I selected all the options as YES.  IOW, when I had the AWOL problem the START-CREW, Jetway, doors, Gated dep, Gate Arr, UGSX were all NO. (as I was planning to use other options for this.. I do have GSX ground services, but I had not selected any of this addon for any test flight here)   

This morning after bringing up the aircraft in C&D mode at the gate I brought up the config panel and changed all of those to YES.  THE FO SHOWED UP.  And he seems to now be showing up each time.  I have not done any more than this so I don't know if it is one of those selections or some combination but this DEFINATELY had an affect. 

I will continue to try to get more consistent cause and effect data, but there seems to be some relationship between these selections and the AWOL problem.

Thanks for continuing to follow up ...I know with all of the variations of user systems your job is hard, but I am trying not to send you on any wild goose chases.  I try to make sure its not me before asking you!!.. 😉

Mike

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If you would like me to run some specific tests based on these observations, let me know

 

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the report.  It looks like you've made some good progress 🙂

If you can isolate it so I can reproduce it, then it'll be an easy fix.

 

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Just now, MikeWings said:

If you would like me to run some specific tests based on these observations, let me know

 

Yes, please isolate it.  It should be pretty easy because I think you've somehow narrowed it down.

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OK, I think I have a handle on it.  More testing this morning.  I did one other thing in my earlier testing that I thought had no impact on anything but actually did and so it WAS NOT the changing of the parameters from NO to YES, but the other thing that did at the same time as changing these parameters and that was RESIZING OF THE MAIN PANEL WINDOW.  I have a 42 inch screen so when I bring up the FS2C Main Panel it is a bit distorted, so from the beginning I had resized it and put it into the corner of the screen.  This apparantly is what is causing the AWOL FO.  The other indication is that each time I resize the main panel window I get a message on the screen saying that "FS2CREW VOICE MODE ACTIVATED" (or something close to that).  You should be able to try it on your machine.  I tested this with the following results:

Each time I left the main panel full size as it comes up the FO shows up.
I also changed all of the YES selections to NO in the config panel and as long as I left the main panel full size, everything worked.
Finally I started a new flight, left the main panel full size had the FO start his flows and in the middle of the flows, I resized the main panel and the FO went AWOL again.   

I can now run FS2CREW consistently with FO there as long as I do not resize the main panel.

Hope this is repeatable for you..

 

Mike

 

 

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Glad you got it sorted 😎

I'll add that to the FAQs.

Don't resize the panel 🙂

 

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Bryan,

OK, Thanks for following along.. Just one more question.  When the FO finishes the PF Above the line,  he goes directly into the Below The Line without any trigger from the PF, is that the way it is designed??

Again thanks to all of the FS2 Crew for these great addons

Mike

 

 

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No, you have to call for the Checklist.  He shouldn't do it automatically.

Check the CVR voice log... the speech recognition system may have detected you saying the trigger for the checklist phrase, but you didn't realize it.

Keep an eye on the green bar.

 

 

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