2 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

A few clicks in Asus Five Way optimisation and 5 GHz there you go on my rig. Low volts, all good. No learning curve, it does it all for you. 

5.2 GHz is my best manually overclocking on air. D15. Delidded. 

Right what you say though re warranty, if you don't want the hassle, or aren't that skilled at problem solving rare but possible issues, then fair enough. As I say, I would never encourage anyone to build themselves if they felt they weren't up to it. 

Overclocking has obviously come a long way in the last 5 years. But is it just a case of clicking a button? Scan and Chillblast bench-test their PCs for 24 hours before shipping. Will they just press a button?

I’ve built plenty of PCs over the years but now I don’t want the hassle any more. Trying to get those wires connected to the right pin on the mobo was a right pain last time.

10 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Overclocking has obviously come a long way in the last 5 years. But is it just a case of clicking a button? Scan and Chillblast bench-test their PCs for 24 hours before shipping. Will they just press a button?

I’ve built plenty of PCs over the years but now I don’t want the hassle any more. Trying to get those wires connected to the right pin on the mobo was a right pain last time.

Hi Ray,

With Gigabyte - I set my OC on my 2700K to 4.7 Ghz on air - with the change of a single parameter in the bios - that was what six or seven years ago - still handles P3D quite well and running strong...

That said - that does nothing to help with the hassle of building a PC from scratch - last time I clocked myself - it came out to about 8 hours of work by the time I was loading the OS...

Still - that 8 hours saved me about a $1000.00 by my estimations...

Best of luck with your new system...

Regards,
Scott 

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by scottb613

 

@scottb613, I priced up the individual components for my PC at another supplier and it came to £200 less than the quoted price. I asked them if the difference was the cost of building it. They confirmed it was.

So I very much doubt I would save a significant amount of money by buying the components and building it myself. I suspect your estimate is out by quite a bit unless labour costs have escalated in the US.

PC ordered this morning and should arrive in around 2 weeks.

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by Ray Proudfoot

Ray,

You spec'd out a nice system. You won't be disappointed.

fly safe

16 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Overclocking has obviously come a long way in the last 5 years. But is it just a case of clicking a button? Scan and Chillblast bench-test their PCs for 24 hours before shipping. Will they just press a button?

I’ve built plenty of PCs over the years but now I don’t want the hassle any more. Trying to get those wires connected to the right pin on the mobo was a right pain last time.

 

Chiilblast wont just press a button no because they are manually overclocking. (We assume). 

But the point is that 5WO overclocks the same way an experienced overclocker would but automatically. There are one or two selections to make voluntarily, like whether you want to overclock just the multiplier or BCLK too. And whether you want to overclock to the max or moderately and how long you want to stress test. Nothing technical, just personal choices. But 5WO will stress test as long as you tell it to, from the Asus suggested minimum to hours if you like.

In the past, the criticism of auto overclocking was that it sometimes sets voltage too high. Well I've not found that to be the case with 5WO. A fraction higher perhaps on some platforms, but nothing extreme, and to be honest, Asus engineers probably know exactly what they are doing, more so than the user, so the slight increase in voltage that some perceive may well be justified for stability.

In the other thread I mentioned how I had experimented with 5WO (last week) and it hit 5 GHz with no issue at all, with quite low voltage. And the voltage was pretty much the same as my manual overclock. 

The new version for Z390 has been improved, all kinds of new auto features and a new algorithm that seems to be performing well according to the reviewers. 

 

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Scan and Chillblast bench-test their PCs for 24 hours before shipping

 

if that's a 24 hour stress test, that's a bit old school. Most don't do that now. Not required. No point in stressing the CPU highly for no reason. Stability can be determined way quicker than that. But yes, 5WO and the new  Ai Overclock version can be set to stress test for many hours.

 

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I’ve built plenty of PCs over the years but now I don’t want the hassle any more.

 

Yep, I know, not trying to persuade you otherwise. Just outlining the facts re overclocking. Might be useful for future reference. Pretty sure the Prime board you are going for has Ai Suite and thus 5WO, so useful for you to know for the future. I mean if you find yourself requiring a BIOS update, all your OC settings will be gone, including any saved OC profile. So worth it for you to know that you can OC automatically with the Asus provided software.

Given that you will have a PC with an overclocked CPU, I would say it's worth you learning a little about overclocking. Otherwise you will be stuck without an overclock in the new BIOS scenario I mention above. Chillblast may provide you with a profile on a USB, but that would mean that the OC profile wouldn't be relate to a newer BIOS that may perform better with lower voltage and thus generate less heat for example.

 

 

Thanks for that Martin. My current PC built by Scan was also overclocked and the BIOS had a facility to save the settings to a USB stick and then reload after the update.

To be honest with you it was always an area that terrified me because my policy has always been to avoid going into the BIOS unless absolutely necessary. There were a couple of times when I performed an update and reloaded my settings afterwards but I haven’t needed to update for over 2 years now.

I need to ask Chillblast about how to perform updates because with the board being so new there are bound to be some. Useful info, thanks.

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Thanks for that Martin. My current PC built by Scan was also overclocked and the BIOS had a facility to save the settings to a USB stick and then reload after the update.

 

Yep, they do have that facility.

My point was that the BIOS is updated frequently and include performance and stability improvements, so by reloading previous overclock settings you aren't taking advantage of the new BIOS OC improvements. Although you may not be bothered of course if your rig is performing to your satisfaction. 

I recall you are getting the Asus Z370 Prime. I think there has been quite a few updates to the BIOS already, so hopefully Chillblast will install the latest BIOS. 

Edited October 31, 20187 yr by martin-w

It’s a valid point and it’s a case of knowing where to stop. If the wreaks gave another 0.1Ghz speed improvement on the CPU would it be measurable?

Ignorance can be bliss. 😁

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It’s a valid point and it’s a case of knowing where to stop. If the wreaks gave another 0.1Ghz speed improvement on the CPU would it be measurable?

Ignorance can be bliss. 😁

 

Performance improvements are sometimes bigger than that. Mine was significant with my Maximus X Code. 

 

But as I said... "Although you may not be bothered of course if your rig is performing to your satisfaction. "

PC being delivered tomorrow. Hopefully I’ll have recovered enough from a cold to set it up. 😁

On 11/6/2018 at 9:33 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

PC being delivered tomorrow. Hopefully I’ll have recovered enough from a cold to set it up. 😁

Did it arrive Ray?

18 minutes ago, Charlatan said:

Did it arrive Ray?

Yes but I have yet to turn it on for two reasons.

1. I’ve got a lousy cold and only ventured out today for the first time since returning from Lelystad on Sunday night.

2. Spent today uninstalling all my software ready for the buyer to collect tomorrow. Not enough space for two PCs to be running in the same space.

By tomorrow lunchtime I’ll take it upstairs and power it up and go through the Windows setup.

P3D v4 was purchased and downloaded this evening so that will be installed by this time tomorrow. Then I’ll update my sig. 😄

I hate Windows 10 with a vengeance. Over four hours trying to get settings correct so my PCs can see each other and share files. The Troubleshooter is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. I’ve never seen it fix any problem in all the years I’ve tried it. Googling the right words produces the answer. Maybe Microsoft should offload support to them.

By 7:30 this evening I had my network configured so tomorrow I will install P3D v4.3. Flights will have to be limited to the Xtreme Solutions Learjet 25 and the PC-12. Once things have stabilised I’ll look to reinstall v3.4 purely for Concorde.

Time for bed after a long and tiring day.