Hi Rhett,I dual boot with two versions of XP so now you have heard of someone else...One of them is specifically for FS and the other for everything else.Why do I need all of those bloated apps like Office and drivers and processes on an FS system? hardware profiles do nothing for that. Also, my FS system never sees the internet and if I decide to blow away the entire O/S and start from scratch as I have done numerous times for FS, sometimes for issues, sometimes just to start fresh then with Dual boot I can blow away my FS build and leave all my other apps and games in place and untouched. I did it specifically because of FS and it is much more affective than H/W profiles.As for VM, read this link... but here is an excerpt. Unfortunately, your thought process of fixed size was good a few years ago but not so much anymore...http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.phpShould the file be left on Drive C:?The slowest aspect of getting at a file on a hard disk is in head movement (

>>anyone seen office space, I can relate to what they did>>with that printer.>>D a m n it feels good to be a gangster....>>:-)>>Hahahahaha!!!! Just the thing I related with while at work today! But it was because of our fax machine... :-8:-8:-8

Paul,Do look into Ian's suggestion! There really is an issue with addon scenery/landclass that will slowly use all of your memory. I don't remember the details, but it is certainly fixable. Forget messing with the pagefile, try the cure mentioned in the threads you find.BRGDSSven Sorensen, EKCH

Right, but he still needs to get his P/F restored to a good state before the L/C fixes will work. Just use FSM, someone already suggested that, I thought you had already done that...-Paul

>Hi Rhett,>I dual boot with two versions of XP so now you have heard of>someone else...You guys are plain weird. :)>One of them is specifically for FS and the other for>everything else.Actually you have a good point. I will look into this...>Why do I need all of those bloated apps like Office and>drivers and processes on an FS system? hardware profiles do>nothing for that. Not in my ver of Office, to the best of my knowledge. You must be running a newer version, which I'd bet is far more bloated. I only have about 23 running processes in my FS profile.I have Office97 installed, and I don't know of any processes or background apps running with it anymore. OSA.EXE by default will run in the system tray, but I have stopped that, for example. I've got it pared down pretty well.>Also, my FS system never sees the internet>and if I decide to blow away the entire O/S and start from>scratch as I have done numerous times for FS, sometimes for>issues, sometimes just to start fresh then with Dual boot I>can blow away my FS build and leave all my other apps and>games in place and untouched. I did it specifically because>of FS and it is much more affective than H/W profiles.>Very Good point, and this is an increasingly attractive idea which I may do for FSX...>As for VM, read this link... but here is an excerpt. >Unfortunately, your thought process of fixed size was good a>few years ago but not so much anymore...>http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php>You know, I don't see anything in the article that explains away the notion that:1) when a pagefile is resized, that takes cpu, disk, and memory time;and2) how that can somehow be construed as "good" or "acceptable"Can you help me understand how a non-fixed page file is best? Am I missing something?My comments on the article are below:>>How big should the page file be?>>There is a great deal of myth surrounding this question. Two>big fallacies are:>> * The file should be a fixed size so that it does not get>fragmented, with minimum and maximum set the sameWell, the reason I like it, is not so much that it doesn't get defragmented, although that is a desirable side-effect too...but the MAIN reason is because it takes disk, cpu cycles, and mem to perform a resizing...resources better spent toward the disk/cpu/mem-hungry applications I am running, like FS.> * The file should be 2.5 times the size of RAM (or some>other multiple)>That's been bogus for years, no one since Win95/Win98 has thought that way, surely. :)>Windows will expand a file that starts out too small and may>shrink it again if it is larger than necessary, so it pays to>set the initial size as large enough to handle the normal>needs of your system to avoid constant changes of size.Agreed>This will give all the benefits claimed for a

UpdateHello guys, Another 8hrs and another waste of it. Same flight , interstingly same ara I run out of memory, I installed KBOS v3 in this area recently so i have removed it as a precaution. I have tried a number of suggestions above, all in vein except for the post about replacing all the texture files. I am holding back on this one because does this mean i will loose all my add-on scenery files, tons of them? (Feedback on this would help)I have also tried the FS manage- didn't work, even relocating landclass files didn't work. Beofre I try the suggestion of changing replacinf the texture files I recall messing about with the texture folder in the scenery-world-texture folder. I made a back up of this and have re-installed the back up. If this doesn't work I will go for the big texture re-install recommended above. If that doesn't work the PC is going out the window- Is that why Microsoft called it Microsoft Windows?Paul

Hey Rhett, Great post and great response. I think we are pretty much on the same page. See my response below...>>Hi Rhett,>>I dual boot with two versions of XP so now you have heard of>>someone else...>>You guys are plain weird. :)PSOLK - You have no idea...>>>One of them is specifically for FS and the other for>>everything else.>>Actually you have a good point. I will look into this...PSOLK---It has made my life a lot easier when playing with driver settings for different games etc... Easy as can be to do as well...>>>Why do I need all of those bloated apps like Office and>>drivers and processes on an FS system? hardware profiles do>>nothing for that. >>Not in my ver of Office, to the best of my knowledge. You>must be running a newer version, which I'd bet is far more>bloated. I only have about 23 running processes in my FS>profile.PSolk---Yep, I have 23 on my FS system also but 33 or 34 on the other OS... If I need to share files, I can always boot into the other OS and STILL copy back and forth to my FS build. It just shows up as additional drives in explorer. Very Handy... I also defrag my C: (FS) partition from my secondary OS. This way there are no files in use ;)>>I have Office97 installed, and I don't know of any processes>or background apps running with it anymore. OSA.EXE by>default will run in the system tray, but I have stopped that,>for example. I've got it pared down pretty well.Yeah, Office 2k3 is what my company gave me for free (ugh!!!)>>>Also, my FS system never sees the internet>>and if I decide to blow away the entire O/S and start from>>scratch as I have done numerous times for FS, sometimes for>>issues, sometimes just to start fresh then with Dual boot I>>can blow away my FS build and leave all my other apps and>>games in place and untouched. I did it specifically because>>of FS and it is much more affective than H/W profiles.>>>>Very Good point, and this is an increasingly attractive idea>which I may do for FSX...PSolk---Thanks, it is rare that anyone agrees with anything I say ;)>>>As for VM, read this link... but here is an excerpt. >>Unfortunately, your thought process of fixed size was good a>>few years ago but not so much anymore...>>http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php>>>>You know, I don't see anything in the article that explains>away the notion that:>1) when a pagefile is resized, that takes cpu, disk, and>memory time;>and>2) how that can somehow be construed as "good" or>"acceptable"PSOLK----Good Point, I don't know that I have ever seen anything on the resources it takes to re-size.>>Can you help me understand how a non-fixed page file is best? >Am I missing something?PSOLK--The problem is two-fold. The first is within XP itself. Unfortunately (not in your case) alot of people are setting fixed to 2x there physical. That means they are setting 4096 on multiple drives and actually surpassing XP's internal VM limit. The whole reason for XP64 besides 64 bit support is better memory mgm't and VM mgm't. There is no support beyond 3 gigs without a /switch and VM is limited to 4 gigs on a 32 bit version of XP. That is part of the reason 4 gigs will never show as 4 gigs in XP. It will usually show up as 3 gigs or sometimes 2.75... The second benefit is what I like to think of as CYA or Disaster recovery planning. In the event of a worst case scenario, even with most memory leaks, XP will grow and "handle" the leak. There are a lot more "dirty" apps out there than people realize. If you are fixed and something goes wrong and you need to grow. You can't. The minimum is always going to be based on your greatest usage or matched to your physical anyway so technically even with XP managing your Pagefile, it should never be modified.>>My comments on the article are below:>>>>>How big should the page file be?PSOLK---2-50 minimum on primary(System Drive) if you have multiple drives2-200 recomended on primary(Sytem drive) to do a mini-dump if you have multiple drivesFull amount of memory if you are a developer and want to catch a full dump.All of the above would then be run with a System Managed PF on a seperate drive. If you just move the PF without setting a minimum on your System drive you really screwed things up :)If you only have one Drive, System Managed on your system drive, moving to a seperate partition on the same drive does no good. The minimum of a Dynamic should be the amount of your physical anyway so like I said, in theory it should not grow unless we are talking about someone running 512 and more and more often now-a-days a gig.I am really speaking more of someone with 2 gigs... >>>>There is a great deal of myth surrounding this question. Two>>big fallacies are:>>>> * The file should be a fixed size so that it does not>get>>fragmented, with minimum and maximum set the same>>Well, the reason I like it, is not so much that it doesn't get>defragmented, although that is a desirable side-effect>too...but the MAIN reason is because it takes disk, cpu>cycles, and mem to perform a resizing...resources better spent>toward the disk/cpu/mem-hungry applications I am running, like>FS.PSOLK--Agreed but if done right, you aren't going to be resizing anyway, it is a worst case scenario. Like I said, I have my PF on a seperate drive on a seperate controller all by itself. I have 0 chance of fragmentation :)>>> * The file should be 2.5 times the size of RAM (or some>>other multiple)>>>>That's been bogus for years, no one since Win95/Win98 has>thought that way, surely. :)PSOLK---Have you read these forums lately :)>>>Windows will expand a file that starts out too small and may>>shrink it again if it is larger than necessary, so it pays>to>>set the initial size as large enough to handle the normal>>needs of your system to avoid constant changes of size.>>Agreed>>>This will give all the benefits claimed for a

Well WinXP is much much better than older versions of Windows in terms of not needing to reinstall every year. We used to have to do that all the time, if we wanted peak performance. . Having said that, it is still quite possible to garbage-up an XP system to the point where it might be easiest just to format c: and be done with it.Granted I am not in front of your machine, but I can tell you that if you have anything like my FS and OS installation, you probably have so many add-ons going, that you can't keep track of them all.You ought to see *MY* /texture directory. Not to mention my /GAUGES dir. It would make even the most stalwart of you guys cringe with incredulousness. Is that a word?RhettAMD 3700+ powered by Gerbil wheel + gerbil, eVGA 7800GT 256, ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 gigs Corsair TWINX, blah blah, etc. etc.

I agree with that, XP is light years ahead of 2000 and eek 98 and 95 were just horrible. An IP Stack problem was a re-install of the entire O/S, come to think of it everything was a complete re-install of the O/S LOLIf you click the link in my sig you can be in front of my system ;)I am about 30 Gigs active FS products with probably another 60 backed up... It is scary what this sim does to our bank accounts ( all for 59.99 right!!!) Thanks Microsoft :)Cheers,-paulPrimary RigLiquid CooledAMD FX-57 @ 3 gigsAsus A8NSLI-Premium2 gigs Corsair XMS PC3500LL 2 3 2 6 1TXFX 7900 GTX 690/1750XFX 7800 GTX 515/135024 inch Widescreen LCDDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1khttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7800 GTX 515/1350 Raid-0

GIven up, After trying most of the above I am sick of it, literally sick of it. I spend more hours fixing, or attempting to fix this thing than flyingthanks to everyone who tried to helpPaul

I am trying again but I would like to know the following about the post below. Could you please help me clarify the questions below relating to feedback I received in this post."1. Restore your default texture directory. A corrupt,misplaced, missing texture file that FS expects is a possiblecause." What happens to all my add-on scenery files if i do this?2. Go back to virtual memory. Set all drives to 0 thendisabled. What exactly do you mean "disabled" and where is this this setting please?"4.Go back to virtual memory, set c: to custom of 2-200, thisdoes a few things. First it leaves enough room on C for aDump if you need one, second it ensures that all otherpagefiles actually get set. If you disable VM on your Windowspartition, no other pagefile will be recognized.Now go to another partition, (Not your FS partition and not your Windows partition) Ideally, this is a seperate drive on a seperate>controller. Not just a partition on the same drive as yourO/S. I have a seperate drive on my second raid controllerjust for swap" ...And do what exactly? I am not sure whatI am supposed to do here?"6. Ensure that Task scheduler is enabled and prefetch isworking..."Where are these things and how do I set the prefetch and Task scheduler?RegardsPaul

Stil battling with this problem. I noticed today that when I ran ctrl Alt delete while FS9 was into about 3hrs of flying I noticed the Page File was using 1.15GB of memory (Is this correct)? Also I am not 100% sure but i am sure what happens is that the page file gradually increases and then I get an "out of memory error message" when it reaches 2GB (The total of my memory) Here is what Ctrl Alt Delete showed mePhysical memory 2095852Available 633184System cahe 784788page File usage 1.15GB another issue I have is can any file or program cause a memory leak?This is really seriously p........g me off.Please someone help.regardsPaul

Please tell me if you are running Ultimate Terrain - USA. IF so, are you using the FSGenesis US Landclass sandwich patch to enable UT and FSGenesis landclass simultaniously? So far, as I've stated previously in this thread, changing all MaskClassMap=3 & 1 entries to 0 in the terrain.cfg file and un-doing the UT/FSGenesis landclass patch has completely fixed my 6 months-worth of CTD's. This is not a page-file setting issue. It has to do with a landclass leak that will eventually trip the FS9.exe executable into an error state on any one of the FS .dll files from the modules folder such as terrain.dll, ai_palyer.dll, g3d.dll and so forth intermitently. Attached is my flightplan from KLAX to KATL that would sometimes CTD (with no OOM error) b/w Dallas and the Alabama/Georgia state-line. If that didn't happen, it would always CTD when less than 20nm on final into any KATL runway. Try this flightplan with a high-end aircraft such as the PMDG 747, the LDS 767, or the PSS 777 with the sim at 1x rate, @ ~ FL350, and all your add-ons enabled and then report back here.KLAX SLI J169 KOFFA J65 CME J166 SPS J58 FUZ J131 TXK J52 VUZ ATL KATL

Problem Fixed!!!!! Thanks to the post above I was able to resolve my issue with the "out of memory message"This is what i did:I followed the advice above and went into the terrain.cfg (Which is located in the main FS9 folder).Iterrain.cfg andused used the replace function facility in notepad to replace allthe entries MaskClassMap=3 & 1 entries to 0 as outlined above in the previous post.I would like to thank the person for taking time out to help me and all the other people who have made suggestions.Best regardsPaul

Absolutly fantastic. Congratulations.... It took me 4 months to achieve what you did in a few days....