Trubshaw

Can I use a dummy FSX for Scenery

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Hello All.

Im having  trouble installing Scenery on an external SSD.

I have 1.72 Tbs of space available, The idea is to install FSX on the external SSD as a dummy.

load all add on Airports and VFR Scenery into this dummy FSX just let the ruddy stuff flow into the FSX Add on Scenery folder which is outside of the Main FSX installation.

Then on the Main FSX go to the Library press add scenery button then navigate to dummy FSX Add on Scenery folder and press OK

Now With Main FSX being tricked into thinking it’s , it’s own Add on Scenery folder.

Will it work, Comments please.

Trubshaw.

 

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No problem at all - and no buttons to push!

I have dozens and dozens of sceneries in a dedicated SSD - Just create a ADDON SCENERY folder in the SSD and point to the drive letter in the SCENERY.CFG like this, for example:

[Area.138]
Title=ACAPULCO
Local=F:\ADDON SCENERY\ACAPULCO
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
Layer=131

Right now between installed, and scenery waiting-to-be installed I have 93 gigs in that ADDON SCENERY folder.

This is, of course, in addition to the regular ADDON SCENERY folder in the root directory of FSX on the C drive. (I have Steam). 

 

Edited by overspeed3

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Scenery can be placed anywhere on any HDD or SSD.  You just need to tell FSX where it is located like overspeed3 indicated above.

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I'm not sure if I'm reading the original post correctly.  Certainly you can put scenery anywhere you wish, any drive, any folder, etc. (so long as you don't exceed to the 256 character limit on the path).

My concern is that you may be placing (*we call it dumping) scenery into the Addon\Scenery and Addon\Texture folders as a means to get FSX to activate the scenery for you automatically.  If that's what you're doing, it's a tremendously bad idea, in fact several years ago several of us made a heck of an effort around here to get people to stop doing this as it was causing a ton of problems for people.  In fact, we also reached out to several AFCAD designers who had shared the work here in the AVSIM Library, and asked them to STOP putting this in their instructions.  I must have helped 20 or 30 people over the years clear up problems they had by doing this, and it's such a time consuming and tedious process that today I would just tell someone to reinstall FSX if they have this sort of problem.

Again, I couldn't tell if you're doing this or not, but if you are I thought I'd try to prevent you having some problems down the road.

Bottom line (so I don't have to type, and people don't have to read a novel), one should never at scenery to FSX/P3D by dumping files into the Addon/Scenery and Addon\Texture folders.  If the scenery doesn't come with an installer, then your best best is to use either the Scenery Manager (which makes it WAY TOO EASY, regardless of what drive your scenery is located) or use a program like SceneryConfigEditor (freeware) which allows you to quickly and easily Add, Remove, Prioritize, Activate and Deactivate scenery even when FSX is not running (in fact, you don't want to use it when FSX is running).

I sincerely hope you find this helpful my friend, and if that's not what you were doing then simply ignore this.

My very best wishes for Happy Flights!

 

 

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Hello Chaps.

Thank you for replies, I’ve just returned to FSX, last forum was in 2012. I’m good with my hands, I can take an engine apart , I can build a spiral staircase, I can build a computer, Water Cooled 5.1 ghz, SSD on mother board, Microsoft test 0 to 7.9 I’m at 7.9.,   What i can’t do is play any musical,instrument which I would love to do, And Software is a big weakness.

Way back in 2012 I tremendous difficulty in installing Horizon Gen X v2. As dis many others, It would only install in Safe Mode, and as before, Same this time on my new computer, FSX map backgrounds become all sea, blue., this effects the GPS which  also become sea blue, ie no land. And the loading and zooming distance, just takes 4 minutes., Untick all the scenery and behold it’s all back to normal operating in a micro second.

I have a built in external SSD, with this scenery on it. I am going to delete it and bin it.

If I replace this photo scenery about ten volumes it will cost me about £450 I see on the net Orbx whole of the UK £28. So to start afresh.

What is this Orbx scenery,,

Why is it so less expensive. 

Is it photo scenery, or google earth..

Roughly what would it cost for a good set up, say Europe and America.

Trubshaw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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For FSX, I like GEX/UTX better.  The textures are optimized for better performance.  Orbx has some nice scenery but it can get expensive, very expensive.  My issue with Orbx is that they failed to update the Regions, like the PNW, SoCal/NoCal to keep it up-to-date with other products, like FSDT airports.  It all still works but there is a complicated thread on Orbx on how to make third party software work with their products.  Basically, you have to turn off this file in this folder and then in another folder too, and then in the Scenery/World/Scenery folder turn off some elevation files.  If you have about 30 minutes to an hour for each region, you can make it compatible.  They are very helpful in the compatibility forums but, again, a simple update of the region(s) would fix the issues.  They have moved on from FSX as have other developers like FSDT/FlightBeam.  They now develop mostly for P3D or XPlane.  You can easily go on their site and click on an area of the world, say Europe, and it will show you all the products available for that area of the world.  I own all of the FTX Regions in the USA and many of the commercial airports but have not reinstalled.  My system (see signature) is more than capable of using MegaScenery and it certainly enhances my enjoyment of flight simulation. 

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Hi, Jim, Dave, and Speed3

I am sitting in front of my computer at this moment..

Just for practice, I have used the programs own install and have the fold sitting on the external SSD.

I am now at FSX Scenery Library ,

I click, Add Scenery and get the dialogue box, Select Scenery Directory.

Under , Look In, left hand volume,  I click on icon, Computer.

incan now see all my Hard Drives.

click on Drive, Extreme 900 (G:)  Click And open my Folder , I now see new folders , Volumes 1 to 5, So far so good.

But at the bottom of the dialoge box, I see two text fields and two radar dots.

Directory, show blank. Ie empty

Scenery Area Title , shows blank, ie empty 

Cache this Scenery, radar dot empty.

Use this Scenery  Directly, Radar dot in place

It will not Add until the above spaces are filled in .

 

If I I click on the above folders another one then another and so on.

eventually the box spaces will fill with text.

then it will add the Scenery, But it will put on tinny entry in the library out of hundreds.

I just want to see Folders, Volume 1 to 5 in the Library.

How to achieve this.

Do I have to type something in Directory field or rename my four folders

Trubshaw

 

 

 

 

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Hi Jim.

Thanks I know that one, But as stated previously, in the library dialog box I can see my folders Vol1, Vol 2. Vol 3 Vol 4 and 5

But I need some  text showing in the field Labled, Directory.

And the field Labled , Scenery Area Title.

Before clicking the white area on the dialogue box in order for the add to work.

This is the bit I can’t get right, Do I fill in these two fields in with a  Directory, and Title Area, if so what do I use,

Or should are they automatically be field in by the Scenery folder.

Trushaw.

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Trubshaw said:

I can see my folders Vol1, Vol 2. Vol 3 Vol 4 and 5

Under Vol1, is there a Scenery and Texture folder?  The same for the other Volumes.  The Directory will remain blank if it does not see a Scenery folder.  So, if you do not see anything in the Directory or Area Title, then you need to add the Scenery Folder under Vol 1 and then a Texture Folder under Vol 1.  The .bgl's would go into the Vol 1/Scenery folder; the textures would go into the Texture folder.

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Hi Ji

 No there is no Texture Folder.

The Scenery was loaded straight onto the drive using the developer installer, ie load the DVD into the player, and follow the prompts to the SSD.

This installs a folder onto the drive called VFR GenX Scenery. As you load each dvd it installs them into the above named folder.

So 3 DVDs creates a folder inside the above, called Vol 1  then another 3 creates Vol 2 and so on.

“If you open say Vol 1, “   you will see 3 new folder called  Area 1 , Area 2 and Area 3.

Now If you open say folder Area 1, you will see  5 files. Say like.

1.2 Photo Scenery 

2.4 Photo Scenery 

2.4 Night

4.8 Mesh

2.4 Scenery 

As you click on each of the 5 above this will fill  text entry inti the Directory field, and The Scenery Area Title field and will add a entry in the FSX Library. And will work.

But as you can see that’s 5 entries per Area time 3 Areas that’s 15 entries per Volume. So 5  Volumes is 5 times 15 that takes up 75 Library lines as seen in the order above.

When really you should just see say Vol 1,2,3,4,5!

or Say South England, Midlands, North England. Scotland, Wales, not the 75 lines.

I need to make FSX see Vol 1, this needs something in The Directory, and Scenery Area Titles boxes, so FSX will add the Volume.

Hope you can make it out.

Trubshaw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

into the above folder. 

 

 

 

 

 

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From my searches on the Internet, installing is not complete when just installing Vol 1, Vol 2, Vol 3, etc.  Within each volume, there should be another exe program to install that particular scenery.  This will add the scenery to your scenery.cfg.

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Hi Jim.

Everybody seem to think this is so easy, I just can’t make head nor tail of it.

No problem at all - and no buttons to push!

I have dozens and dozens of sceneries in a dedicated SSD - Just create a ADDON SCENERY folder in the SSD and point to the drive letter in the SCENERY.CFG like this, for example:

[Area.138]
Title=ACAPULCO
Local=F:\ADDON SCENERY\ACAPULCO
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
Layer=131

Right now between installed, and scenery waiting-to-be installed I have 93 gigs in that ADDON SCENERY folder.

This is, of course, in addition to the regular ADDON SCENERY folder in the root directory of FSX on the C drive. (I have Steam). 

 

Edited Friday at 09:33 PM by overspeed3

Ok my drive letter is (G:) Do I make this up. And type as follows in

to the CFG.

[Area. 138]

Title= Vol. 1

Local = G:\VFR GenX Scenery \ Vol.1

Active =TRUE

Required = FALSE

Layer = 131

The main developers Folder is called, VFR  GenX Scenery, the Scenery Title is Vol. 1, 

Who decides the 138 and the 131. 

I will have a look on the DVD and let you know what’s there.

Thanks 

Trubshaw.

 

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Have you contacted the scenery developer?

I believe this is your best source of assistance for this.

 

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14 hours ago, Trubshaw said:

The main developers Folder is called, VFR  GenX Scenery, the Scenery Title is Vol. 1, 

Who decides the 138 and the 131.   The Area/Layer is selected by the Scenery Library program as you link each scenery.  You can open up your Scenery.cfg and manually insure all Areas are in sequence.  You can also download and install SceneryConfigEditor and it will do it automatically for you (automatically is cool...).  https://sourceforge.net/projects/fs-sceditor/

I will have a look on the DVD and let you know what’s there.

I have done more research and found that you have to add each component to the Scenery Library as the installer does not do this for you (ugh!)(disregard my comments earlier to look for an exe in Volume1).  It appears you have it installed properly.  You just need to link the scenery in your Scenery Library as the program does not do it for you.  Here's one example I found:

[Area.120]
Title=VFR GenX Vol1 Area1 2.4m Photo Scenery v2.0
Local=G:\Horizon Simulation\VFR-Gen-X-2.0\Volume1\Area1\2.4 Photo //or 1.2 Photo
Layer=120       //Should be the same as Area
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.121]
Title=VFR GenX Vol1 Area1 4.8m Mesh v2.0
Local=G:\Horizon Simulation\VFR-Gen-X-2.0\Volume1\Area1\4.8Mesh
Layer=121
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.122]
Title=VFR GenX Vol1 Area1 4.8m Night v2.0
Local=G:\Horizon Simulation\VFR-Gen-X-2.0\Volume1\Area1\2.4 Night  //if not flying at night you need to disable by changing Active=False below
Layer=122
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.123]
Title=VFR GenX Vol1 Area1 2.4m Photo Scenery v2.0
Local=G:\Horizon Simulation\VFR-Gen-X-2.0\Volume1\Area1\2.4 Scenery  //this should be the last item linked within a Volume.  Try to keep your scenery in the order as above. 
Layer=123
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
This is an example of Vol2 being linked:
 
[Area.124]
Title=VFR GenX Vol2 Area1 4.8m Mesh v2.0
Local=F:\Horizon Simulation\VFR-Gen-X-2.0\Volume2\Area1\2.4 Night
Layer=124
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE

As you can see above, you have to link each component.  It is not as simple as just linking to Volume 1.  So I would make a new folder called Horizon Simulation and then move the VFR-Gen-X-2.0 under that as in my sample above.  You can leave as is with the VFR Gen X 2.0 folder being the main folder and Volume1 and Area1 under that.

I want to make sure you understand what happens to FSX (or P3D) if you install photo scenery and have all of it Active=True.  It will load no matter if you are flying over that area or not.  So, make sure you only enable the photo scenery you will be using or it will be a very ugly experience.  You do not want something loading in the background taking up valuable resources that was not needed for a particular flight.

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On 2/15/2019 at 3:59 PM, Trubshaw said:

Now With Main FSX being tricked into thinking it’s , it’s own Add on Scenery folder.

Do NOT place this scenery in the Addon Scenery folder.  Keep it separate.  The Addon Scenery folder is for simple sceneries that maybe have one or two .bgl's.  Put it in the Horizon Simulation folder and link the Scenery.cfg to it.

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Hello Jim.

May I thank you for all the work you have looked into for me, I really appreciated you held.

I think we are on the right wave length now.  I have not looked at the Scenery CFG yet,

But the Library is as you are saying, All the layers as you discribe are there in the Library the standard default FSX has 1 to 120 entries. By adding this  GenX Scenery it add another 75 entries to the default 120.

I can and have added all these 75 entries (or layers as you call them) maunually by opening the folders ie, Volume 1, then Area 1 then photo,, at this point the diroctory bos, and the Scenery Title Box automatically fill with text, and add the layer to the Library. So I have done all of this manual Scenery adding a whole 75 time, and FSX does find the scenery and it works, Ok,

As you say about the night layer making it not useable in the CFG file,  It’s also in my library, I just need to tick or untick as appropriate.

So what we are saying I have installed it all correctly in the first place with the Library showing ever layer, Photo1.8 Scenery 2.4  Mesh, and so on. Area after Area, 75 layers in total.

Shortly this is not the same for all  developers Scenery. It would drive me crazy., By the way I have a blue sea FSX Map, and GPS, and as you mentioned about only ticking the area in going to fly in,  Is this why it’s takes 6 minute to load, Untick this scenery I get my normal map and GPS back, and from clicking the FSX icon I’m back to 37 second on the runway ready to go.

Please tell me Orbx just shows just one entriy per Area in the Library, 

121 Southern England

122 Midlands

123 Northern England

124 Scotland 

4 downloads for Titles in the Library,  the rest of it is automatically taken care of working in the Background or CFG Folder.

Trubshaw.

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I agree, having 75 different areas/layers is huge and it is time-consuming to get it all placed in the Scenery Library.  This is a very old product (but still current as FSX is an old product too) and installers have gotten better.  I have almost all of the MSE States and that's about 45-47 scenery areas/layers.  When I first got them for FSX, I had enabled 20 States and it took a very long time for the scenery to load (even though I was only planning on flying in 1 or 2 US States.  My HDD was thrashing like crazy and after about 30 minutes, I shutdown FSX and disabled all but just a couple.  It is nice to have realistic scenery when flying but difficult to manage.

26 minutes ago, Trubshaw said:

Please tell me Orbx just shows just one entriy per Area in the Library, 

I am no longer an expert on Orbx scenery but understand you need to install Global, Vector, and Landclass before installing some of their scenery.  That replaces all of the default scenery and why they don't have to add much to specific areas.  I own all of the Regions like the Pacific NW, Southern California, etc. but have not reinstalled.  Each area has a lot of folders and they put all of their elevation files in Scenery/World/Scenery.  Anything in that folder loads even if you do not use any Regions during a flight session and they are mostly elevation files.  That could cause problems but I had few problems with that folder.  My issues were the fact the Regions are not compatible with many airports and you have to go through a lot to make each airport compatible.  I lost interest...

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Hi Jim.

I plan to re read all of thia Topic as I need a clear understanding of everything.

First, When I delete a layer or entry in the library, What am I deleting,

The path only, or the complete everything associated with that scenery area.

The Scenery is on an external SSD, So do I delete the library layers then delete what’s on left on the SSD . I want to completely remove All.

From what I’ve read about Orbx is has a new Central T Manager, Which  puts everything in the correct order,, and if an update comes out it can if ticked automatically update everything ,, and the Sceanery is easy to download. It reads like they have put a lot of work into simplifying things for the customer. 

I use the sim as an instrument platform which it does quite well. I use a combination of hand and autopilot flying down to DH then the high work load of a go around into the hold, Idenify the morse of all the Nav Aids ete run the stop watch from the outer marker . Just small short leg flights with as many beacons as I can fit in,, and in the States as this ware the inner, middle and outer markers are. In the UK you only get an Outer Marker or nothing at all. Today the FMC flys the aeroplane  and one becomes more of an aeroplane operator or manager rather than a pilot.  And I guess one day there will be nobody up front just a computer with a pair of eyes, Yes that’s already here, Drones,  Anyway back to Orbx , I seem to have read that once Orbx is on your computer its difficult to remove all, ie like many anti virus products. Is this true.

However I think Orbx will suit me , Also when I pop out of cloud sometimes to see a bit of scenery will be quite nice.

Trubshaw.

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Trubshaw said:

First, When I delete a layer or entry in the library, What am I deleting, 

The path only, or the complete everything associated with that scenery area.

You really are not "deleting" anything.  You enable the scenery or disable it.  If you disabled Area1, you should also disable the Photo, Mesh, and Night.  No reason for those items to load.  Scenery for FSX/P3D can be located anywhere on your computer system.  The only thing it cares about is the link.  In the Scenery Library, if you highlight the scenery, you can then select to delete the link (but not the scenery on the SSD).  If you enable a scenery, you check the box to enable.  To disable, you uncheck the box.

11 hours ago, Trubshaw said:

From what I’ve read about Orbx is has a new Central T Manager, Which  puts everything in the correct order,, and if an update comes out it can if ticked automatically update everything ,, and the Sceanery is easy to download. It reads like they have put a lot of work into simplifying things for the customer. 

This is correct.  They are slowly updating their installers for their software.  Do not think this includes Regions like the Pacific Northwest unless it is for P3DV4.

11 hours ago, Trubshaw said:

I seem to have read that once Orbx is on your computer its difficult to remove all, ie like many anti virus products. Is this true.

Hopefully someone who owns Orbx products can answer this.  As I recall with the Regions and airports like Friday Harbor, Palm Springs, San Diego, etc., you have to open up FTX3 and click on the scenery, and select Uninstall.  You should not use your Add/Remove Program uninstaller or try to remove it manually.  This is especially true for Global Base products as they must back up the default scenery when you install it and they have to reinstall the default scenery after you uninstall it.  FTX/Orbx have great forums but most questions, like yours, has already been asked there so, if you ask again, you might get a terse response to search the forums first.  AVSIM use to have a great tutorial on how to uninstall/reinstall Orbx products but AVSIM cannot be endorsing one product and not another from another developer.  It gives the impression we endorse their products and it is also free advertising so had it removed.

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I should add an addendum to my above post: 

Freeware scenery I place in a separate SSD drive in the directory, "ADDON SCENERY" (in my case it's the "F" drive).  I always do the install through the FSX Add Scenery app. 

However, for payware and/or demo scenery I still place them in the root FSX ADDON SCNERY folder just to keep them separate.   

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