Justsm's EBBR

[Shomron 251]

One thing I do note specifically in Justsim airports is that the AI traffic is significantly low.

I am using UTL.

Any ideas?

[Benjamin J 751]

45 minutes ago, Shomron said:

One thing I do note specifically in Justsim airports is that the AI traffic is significantly low.

I am using UTL.

Any ideas?

I think UTL is simply very incomplete with regards to the airlines it includes. I use AIG OCI and my JustSim airports are filled to the top. Seriously, you should ditch UTL in favor of AIG's AI traffic. believe me, I had UTL and was averse to the idea of throwing away my monetary and time (!) investiment in UTL, but AIG OCI is a million times better. I have never looked back!

[Caveney737 66]

On 3/31/2020 at 10:00 PM, Benjamin J said:

I think UTL is simply very incomplete with regards to the airlines it includes. I use AIG OCI and my JustSim airports are filled to the top. Seriously, you should ditch UTL in favor of AIG's AI traffic. believe me, I had UTL and was averse to the idea of throwing away my monetary and time (!) investiment in UTL, but AIG OCI is a million times better. I have never looked back!

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I have just purchased Justsim EBBR on sale

and I have the same low AI count - probably only 5 or 6 planes across the entire airport.

I use AIG OCI with levels set to 1 - 99% in AIG and 50% in P3Dv4.5.

Other airports such as MK Studios EIDW are pretty full with these settings.

Any ideas? What settings do you use?

Thanks for any help. 🙂

[Benjamin J 751]

4 minutes ago, Caveney737 said:

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I have just purchased Justsim EBBR on sale

and I have the same low AI count - probably only 5 or 6 planes across the entire airport.

I use AIG OCI with levels set to 1 - 99% in AIG and 50% in P3Dv4.5.

Other airports such as MK Studios EIDW are pretty full with these settings.

Any ideas? What settings do you use?

Thanks for any help. 🙂

Personally I have no differential AI levels set - everything is set to display at a 1%, and have my Ai slider in P3Dv4 at 100% (thought of course I could leave it at 1% and it would look the same). I also have every single AIG package installed that they released through OCI, plus a few custom ones that I compiled myself, but these don't fly to EBBR.

Also keep in mind that time of day has a huge impact, since AIG's AI follow real-world schedules (at last that's what I assume - never really checked it though). Try to think of a time when EBBR is supposed to be very busy, perhaps early morning or evening, when many of the longhaulers are leaving or departing and check at that time.

[Caveney737 66]

Thanks for that! I have never really understood the percentage settings in AIG !

If I want a lot of AI what should I use for the settings? You say you use 1%, is that in 

both the min and max settings - and why does 1% give you a lot? Very confused.com 🤔

Thanks

Edited April 10, 2020 by Caveney737

[thepilot 591]

On 2/18/2019 at 6:55 PM, Benjamin J said:

 I generally feel like Justsim's airports lack in character. I find it hard to pinpoint why..

Maybe because they are churning out sceneries at an astonishing rate while other scenery devs carefully survey every airport they create? I remember Flightbeam refrained from making FRA because they couldn't get apron access to take the photographs they need to produce a high quality scenery. This dedication shows in the projects that they do take on – last but not least in longer development times.

Coming back to JustSim, the only airport I have from them is my home airport Stuttgart (STR), where they worked together with Digital Aviation. Have to say they did a nice job there, the scenery is fairly accurate (might need some ADE work though) and performs well, plus blends in perfectly with Orbx Germany South. Thinking about picking up DUS as well, alas it's not on sale unlike their older sceneries...

Edited April 10, 2020 by thepilot

[Christopher Low 5,393]

I have just installed the JustSim EBBR Brussels v2 scenery, and I run a custom AI database @ 100% settings, so I will check out the AI environment very soon. It's worth noting that they collaborated with Digital Design for this airport. As for that "1%" figure, that just means that any P3D commercial traffic settings of 1% or more will display ALL of the flights in each of the schedules with those settings.

[regis9 4,039]

I downloaded a custom made AFCAD file from The link below to replace the default one because when i opened it up there were very few gates properly assigned to airlines.

https://jcai.dk/tag/justsim/

I have lots of AI traffic present using AIG OCI

[Caveney737 66]

16 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I have just installed the JustSim EBBR Brussels v2 scenery, and I run a custom AI database @ 100% settings, so I will check out the AI environment very soon. It's worth noting that they collaborated with Digital Design for this airport. As for that "1%" figure, that just means that any P3D commercial traffic settings of 1% or more will display ALL of the flights in each of the schedules with those settings.

Thanks for the reply, I have changed my settings to 1% and the traffic at EBBR is much better now.

While we are talking AIG and AI aircraft, another problem I have is that the AI aircraft are very quiet.

I can't hear them at all in the cockpit even if I am right up their tailpipe and in outside views I can

hear them but they are very quiet. Is this normal with P3D or is there a setting somewhere that I can

adjust ?

Cheers.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Caveney737

[Caveney737 66]

1 minute ago, regis9 said:

I downloaded a custom made AFCAD file from The link below to replace the default one because when i opened it up there were very few gates properly assigned to airlines.

Yes, I am using that AFCAD as well, but it didn't make any difference until I changed the settings in AIG to 1% - now much better. 

[Dave_YVR 997]

13 minutes ago, Caveney737 said:

es, I am using that AFCAD as well, but it didn't make any difference until I changed the settings in AIG to 1% - now much better. 

 It really shouldn't make any difference. The only thing you do by having AI Manager traffic at 1% is removing any adjustability in your traffic level. For those that want 100% everywhere, all the time that's great, but it can bring even the fastest PC to it's knees at many large cities.

[Benjamin J 751]

1 hour ago, Caveney737 said:

Thanks for that! I have never really understood the percentage settings in AIG !

If I want a lot of AI what should I use for the settings? You say you use 1%, is that in 

both the min and max settings - and why does 1% give you a lot? Very confused.com 🤔

Thanks

I see you already seemed to have got it sorted, but here's how it works. The AI traffic files have a percentage number assigned to each route a given aircraft is supposed to fly. That percentage number relates to the AI traffic slider in the sim, and determines whether or not that AI aircraft will be visible or not. So, if a given aircraft is doing EHAM-EBBR, but it's percentage is set to 60%, this plane will only show if your slider is set 60% and above.

Now, take into consideration your settings. If you tell AIG to randomly assign percentages between 1-99%, the routes will be assigned accordingly. This means that, if you want to see ALL if the traffic, you must set your AI traffic slider to 99%, at minimum.

Now, if you set all the AI traffic to be visible at 1%, then ALL traffic will show at a AI traffic slider setting of 1% - or 10%, or 15% or 100% - doesn't matter where you put. As long as you DO NOT put it to 0%, you will see the traffic.

In short: your AI traffic slider decides the threshold at which AI aircraft flying certain routes are seen. Any AI traffic with an assigned percentage AT or BELOW that level, will be visible - others will not.

Why does it work that way? It's all about performance. You can imagine that if you frequent large airports, seeing all traffic at all times will lower performance and may clog the airport. So, having a range of % values assigned to routes randomly can help manage performance. Why didn't I do it? Because I knew I always would want to see all traffic.

[Caveney737 66]

5 minutes ago, Benjamin J said:

I see you already seemed to have got it sorted, but here's how it works. The AI traffic files have a percentage number assigned to each route a given aircraft is supposed to fly. That percentage number relates to the AI traffic slider in the sim, and determines whether or not that AI aircraft will be visible or not. So, if a given aircraft is doing EHAM-EBBR, but it's percentage is set to 60%, this plane will only show if your slider is set 60% and above.

Now, take into consideration your settings. If you tell AIG to randomly assign percentages between 1-99%, the routes will be assigned accordingly. This means that, if you want to see ALL if the traffic, you must set your AI traffic slider to 99%, at minimum.

Now, if you set all the AI traffic to be visible at 1%, then ALL traffic will show at a AI traffic slider setting of 1% - or 10%, or 15% or 100% - doesn't matter where you put. As long as you DO NOT put it to 0%, you will see the traffic.

In short: your AI traffic slider decides the threshold at which AI aircraft flying certain routes are seen. Any AI traffic with an assigned percentage AT or BELOW that level, will be visible - others will not.

Why does it work that way? It's all about performance. You can imagine that if you frequent large airports, seeing all traffic at all times will lower performance and may clog the airport. So, having a range of % values assigned to routes randomly can help manage performance. Why didn't I do it? Because I knew I always would want to see all traffic.

Thanks for your detailed explanation - I get it now !😄  Any ideas as to why they are so quiet

as I explained in my reply to Christopher?

[Dave_YVR 997]

9 minutes ago, Caveney737 said:

Any ideas as to why they are so quiet

Time of day will of course play a large role. Here's Friday at 0840local.

[Caveney737 66]

1 minute ago, Dave_YVR said:

Time of day will of course play a large role. Here's Friday at 0840local.

Sorry, I meant 'quiet' as in the volume of the sound from AI Aircraft. I take it you must have every AIG airline installed to

get that much traffic !!!