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Newly opened KATL runway in FSX?

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FS team,With the new 10/28 runway opening this month in KATL, is it too late in the development cycle to make sure that this 9000' runway and associated taxiways/markings are in FSX? ThanksEric

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Eric,I remember reading a while back when this question was asked that if it wasn't in the Jeppesen data set they used for FSX then it won't be in the release. They likely already completed all the airports but certainly Mike, Jason or Adam will confirm if they can.I, for one, would love to see it in the release since KATL is my home airport. But if it's not someone will certainly add it before long.DougDell XPS Gen3 (3.6GHz/800FSB) | 2GB DDR SDRAM | 74GB SATA, 10k RPM (C: ) | 120GB SATA (D: ) | 256MB ATI Radeon X800 XT (Catalyst 5.13) | Audigy 2 ZS Sound | MS Force Feedback 2 | WindowsXP Pro (SP2) | DirectX 9.0c

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I seriously doubt it will be in there, they use the latest data that is available at the time... the documentation won't show the new airport... Same thing happened with Henderson Executive in NV for FS2004. FS2004 came out right when they opened the new runways, but it was still old data...

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Well, that stinks then. I was afraid of that being that it just opened. KATL is a big time airport for VATSIM users and now it won't be there in the default for at least 3-4 more years.Eric

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Because of the lead time involved in processing the airport data we need to take a snapshot pretty early on. I believe the data we use (Jeppesen, FAA and DAFIF) are synchronized somewhere around April 2005. Since this data only includes commissioned facilities, it would not include KATL 10/28. Although, as someone pointed out, I'm sure someone will create an add-on that includes it.

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If an existing addon will do, thera rea few in teh avsim library for CVG, ATL, STL and maybe even MSP. ALl have opened new runways in the past year.Jim Vile's ATL also has a version of the SOuth Terminal and Terminal F (the international terminal that is mired in controversy)Scary that I know this and I'm from Boston! At elst we're finally getting 14-32 here (And Grimmy will need to update KBOS again!)

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I believe someone could make KATL 10/28 with AFCAD in short order...Same with KSTL's new runway...which just opened..I saw the pic of the first plane to land on it in the newspaper.Rhett

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What was Meig's status as of April 2005?

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While we are on this topic, there is a subject that is near and dear to my heart. Will we be able to exclude existing flattens? Will we be able to easily change the altitude of an airport? As you know, currently, you have to preload FS with a basic AFCAD with the new altitude data loaded before the default airport, and then use a second AFCAD to lay out the redesigned airport. To remove existing flattens, you currently have to edit the default code. A big no-no.Thanks,Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)

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That's assuming the current AFCAD software (or the FS9 SDK tools) will be compatable with FSX's AFD system. If not, it may take longer depending on when the SDK comes out. But eventually it will be done. And I'm sure someone will make AFD data for Meigs too. :)"Let me help you out. You're cleared to taxi any way you can to any runway you see."

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>>I believe someone could make KATL 10/28 with AFCAD in short>order...>And how is that going to impact the AI road vehicle traffic since the taxiways used to access 10/28 cross over interstate 285. Is interstate highway traffic going to stop when it gets to the taxiway leaving the wings of large aircraft to hit the trucks? Can the taxiways be laid on bridges as they are in this real life case?

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The SDK will ship when FSX does, if not before. (At least that's the plan.)

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Hmm, I'm imagining a couple ways this could be handled. Either the traffic won't be continuous, IOW, it will end when it gets to the taxiway, and then new traffic will start on the other side, or they will have a way of "hiding" traffic between two points. Which would be cool if you could have continuous traffic, so that if you see a truck disappear at one point, it then reappears in the same direction at the second point.I'm interested how they will handle this.Bridges would be cool, too, but funny looking if they aren't even with the surface meaning the road would have to tunnel underneath. Imagine the use of current bridges now, the airplane suddenly turns up 45 degrees, scrapes its tail as it goes over the bridge. There would be interaction with the flattens if bridges were used.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)

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It's an interesting situation. I wonder if it'll be possible to preserve road traffic within an airport's flatten area? That way you could build the airport *around* the roads.

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>2005 - not 2006 ??Well, if you read TDragger's post, he explains why:"Because of the lead time involved in processing the airport data we need to take a snapshot pretty early on. I believe the data we use (Jeppesen, FAA and DAFIF) are synchronized somewhere around April 2005."You can't just plop in the Jeppesen information... much of it needs to be massaged and adjusted. I'm sure they could use 2006 data - if they wanted to release the program in mid-to-late 2007!

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Guest Andrew Sullman

I think it might be too late for the New KATL runway

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The FS2004 data matches up with changes in the US and many other countries through about Oct 2003 - approx 9 months before release.Apr 2005 will be approx 18 months before release.I've written a couple new FS2004 approaches from charts into XML and am a bit familiar with the data contained. Changing all the approaches when the airport runway designators change is about the easiest task.The older data won't bother me much, but the whiners who complain about not having new procedures the day after the cycle starts will have a field day.

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>The older data won't bother me much, but the whiners who>complain about not having new procedures the day after the>cycle starts will have a field day.All whiners will automatically downgraded to FS4 for a six month period. Continued whining will cause the sim to revert permanently to run Zoo Tychoon. ;)

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>I think it might be too late for the New KATL runwayThat is the problem. Since someone will have to come out with an add-on runway... The roads are supposed to be more real and in the right place, and the new runway if properly positioned is across I-285 from the airport and the taxiways cross over I-285. There will be AI cars and trucks trying to drive down that built in I-285 and now various addon taxiways and runways that sit overtop. Something has to give. Either the airport areas have to be able to be modeled in 3d, or the car/truck traffic will have to disappear far enough away not to hit the wings of the largest aircraft, or it will simply be broke. By broke I mean cars will cross the taxiways (bad) or cars will stop and cause an AI traffic jam (bad) or cars/trucks will disappear (bad).We really need 3d airports anyway... sloping runways are something of an interesting situation when landing especially at night with sloping terrain or over water. I heard MSFT's reasons regarding data for not putting in sloping runways, but I have not heard an argument why they can not leave it possible for third partys to fix the default flat runways/airports by sloping the terrain. Additionally for situations like this you really need 3D capability to model bridges/tunnels in airport areas. KATL is not the only airport with taxiways that cross roads. In fact I flew into Nashville a few weeks ago in a small single and there is a runway (2C) and taxiway that crosses right over a road (Murfreesboro Pike). Check out google map for bna.

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I can't say which airports are like this, but it is my understanding that there are already 3rd party airports out there built in 3D with sloping runways. Boston Logan V2 by George Grimshaw has road traffic which appears and disappears all over the airport at the correct locations.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)

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Continued whining will cause the sim to revert permanently to run Zoo TychoonI'll have to be careful - my wife loves that program and plays it a lot on my FS computer. :-(

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>That is the problem. Since someone will have to come out>with an add-on runway... The roads are supposed to be more>real and in the right place, and the new runway if properly>positioned is across I-285 from the airport and the taxiways>cross over I-285. There will be AI cars and trucks trying>to drive down that built in I-285 and now various addon>taxiways and runways that sit overtop. Something has to give.> As was said, we don't know how that's going to work yet. Maybe roads with their AI traffic won't show over airport flattens...I'd say thats most likely...Rest assured if the past is any indicator, we'll be able to modify the scenery quite a bit.Rhett

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KLGB in Long Beach, CA has runways going over the top of roadways, too. Every time I fly out of that airport, I drive up Lakewood Blvd. and go underneath runway 12/30 on my way to the terminal :)

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