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Guest Water Mango

I know FSX will sport a vastly improved ATC system. One thing I won't miss (hopefully) is ATC asking you to spot aircraft at unrealistic angles like your six o'clock. FS9's ATC will fly you into mountains and pile up AI traffic to a point your approach is all but ruined at busier airports like KATL. Hopefully we see SID/STARS implemented in the new version as well as ATC being smart enough not to ask you to look for traffic out of your line of site (every plane doesn

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Guest fcrash

I agree with you. And also we could have a improvement on the multiplayer adding ATC and AI Traffic Fernando

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If they add terminal procedures, I'd like to propose that they also come up with some sort of deal with Jeppessen whereby we can update the navigation database periodically (even if it's every few months, it'd be a lot better than having the static one we have now - within a year or so, the FS database is way out of date compared to addons that use their own up to date data). With DAFIF gone now, this would give addon makers a built in database to use as well etc...

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>I know FSX will sport a vastly improved ATC system. Could you please tell me where that information can be found? Seems I've missed it. Thanks

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Guest Dennis_k

>I know FSX will sport a vastly improved ATC system. One thing>I won't miss (hopefully) is ATC asking you to spot aircraft at>unrealistic angles like your six o'clock. FS9's ATC will fly>you into mountains and pile up AI traffic to a point your>approach is all but ruined at busier airports like KATL. >Hopefully we see SID/STARS implemented in the new version as>well as ATC being smart enough not to ask you to look for>traffic out of your line of site (every plane doesn

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Guest Peter Sidoli

Where do you stop with ATC? The problem adding ATC in a realistic way within the programme is that it is so huge and complex that it would take a massive amount of disc space to do in a realistic way.What we have could be improved on. There is a lot of incorrect phraseology and ATC procedures as well as incorrect dialect for different parts of the world in the existing system.I hate the huge Mickey mouse right and left turns given when radar headings are usually only a small deviation real world.More important is a full nav database with all the intersections as well as full SIDS and STARS so the complex offerings from the likes of PMDG and Level D etc do not require third parties to build the SID STARS.That doesnt need to be kept up to date for a home simulation. Maybe a one year downloadable update option could be made available at a cost to the hardcore simming community.Peter

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Guest DreamFleet

If you wanted an even close to 100% realistic ATC system in FS, it would almost cost what the entire sim does, and I doubt most folks would be willing to pay for that. Look at the cost of "Radar Contact", and that is not even 100%.I highly doubt MS would devote 20 programmers to ATC programming, and do agree that if you need it as real as can be, then fly on line or perhaps use a 3rd party program such as Radar Contact.Believe it or not, for the vast majority of FS users, the current ATC is just fine. Anyone not believe that statement? That's your choice! ;-)However, I am confident that MS does tweak / make some improvements (however small) which each version. If nothing else to correct any "bugs" from the previous version.For those who may not use ATC in real life, I might suggest a read of these columns by Don Brown at AVWEB. It will give you some very interesting insight into just what the real thing is all about, and just how complex it can be.http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182651-1.htmlDon is an ATC specialist in the Atlanta area.There is a wealth of real aviation information at AVWEB, yours for the taking.http://www.avweb.comRegards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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I'll be very happy if they intergrate ICAO standards and phraseology (including SIDs/STARs) in to the ATC system, and perhaps a few different transistion levels too. Most systems (except the FAA's) tend to be heavily ICAO based anyway - especially in regard to phraseology, it is the generic standard (why they put in FAA style I'll never know - must be American bias I guess, most of the developed world is using stuff closer to ICAO, infact most of the world full stop is). Providing it can adequately manage traffic too (which SIDs/STARs should assist in) then it should make for an all round better experience. A central database including SIDs/STARs would be great, especially if addon products can make use of it. With this I feel we may even see some freeware FMCs, standalone or intergrated.Whilst all this would be nice, I don't expect it to happen as I'm sure there are higher priority issues for the developers. After all, as perviously said if you want ATC realism, you can go and fly at Vatsim or purchase Radar Contact - there are alternatives (even if they're not ideal).

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Guest tdragger

Actually the ATC system in FS is (for the most part) the work of one person.

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Guest Dan G Martin

Hi there Peter what we need is the ability to get at things like the voice routines so that the add-on community can simply add the right voices and calls to say several world regions I.E Europe etc so that one calls "London Control" "London director" while in U.K. and (arrival here in Canada) as examples. I hope that the team will be able to at least give to community the needed tools to implement much of what we out side of the U.S would like to see (and hear) in the sim in reguards to ATC. I beleve that the team will be adding things like the correct runway markings to runways out side of the U.S. so we should be getting vectored to say runway 09L rather than 9L as an example. As for SIDS and STARS I too think that by adding the above to the included database that would go a long way to makeing the ATC more "true to life" for us all. Like I and others have asked if the team does not have the time to add the above then give us the tools to do it and it will I beleve get done. Then the development team can bring their great talents to things like weather engine mprovements, lighing and other complex visuals that we all hope to see in the sim as well. Dan Martin Team Flight Ontario.

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Guest Rayed

For some reasons my other post disappeared..Anyway..I'd say leave ATC alone, most of people who fly FS don't care. I'd rather see kangaroos or people on beaches ;)But, give addon-developers a programming interface to do that (for example - let them control AI in better way than and allow scenery navaid database to be updated in some way or another - ie. make the format of it well documented and open.

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I second that idea, Rayed. Core components such as the graphics engine and the flight model are key components that only the MS team can make right. Other things such as ultra-realistic ATC, high detail scenery, etc. would be nice to have in the core product, but may not be feasible given the mainstream market and resource budget. Furthermore, one implementation of a component will probably never satisfy everyone. However, with good API's for multiplayer, traffic injection, "official" FSUIPC, the sky is the limit :-> For example, you can have VoxATC, or Radar Contact, VATSIM, or whatever. And at the end of the day, if you still have a "special need" that is not satisfied, just roll your own! :)Cheers,Rich

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>Actually the ATC system in FS is (for the most part) the work>of one person.So Mike, what has that one person been up to for the last couple of years? :-)

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One of the reasons given for the shutdown of DAFIF to the public is that it was publishing copyright information and some copyright owners objected. Given that situation, Microsoft equally would not be able to use that information without permission of the copyright owners and without paying for it. I suspect its not very high on Microsoft's list.EDITThe information's not cheap either. The Aerad IFR Manuals coivering Europe cost over

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