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Hello everybody.Firstly, I'm not sure if this is in the right part of the forum, so if it isn't, then I apologise in advance.I've been into Aircraft for years now. I still go to London Heathrow Airport now and then to take down the Aircraft numbers etc... But I finaly decided to get into the world of simming.I've been playing on FS2004 for a few weeks and I'm starting to get the hang of it... I'm looking for some help with two things though.Firstly, I'm looking to add more traffic to the airport. Not so much of the default Airlines, more real-life Airlines like 'Alitalia' etc. Is there anyway that this can be done?Secondly, I'm after some more Aircraft to fly apart from the default ones already in FS2004. I'm not to good with computers so are there any Aircraft which come with the Panel, Sound, Lights, Textures etc aready in the file? Like a 'full packaged' Aircraft so I don't have to spend too much time messing about with different files etc. I'm into Commercial Passenger Aircraft. I've had a look on the File Libary but I'm not too sure what I'm looking for... Is there any 'full packaged' Aircraft which you can recommend?I also apologise if this has been asked before! If so, just point me to the right Forum where someone has already asked these questions and I'll try and figure this stuff out for myself...Thank you very much for the help!Kind regards, -Sam.

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>Hello everybody.>>Firstly, I'm not sure if this is in the right part of the>forum, so if it isn't, then I apologise in advance.>>I've been into Aircraft for years now. I still go to London>Heathrow Airport now and then to take down the Aircraft>numbers etc... But I finaly decided to get into the world of>simming.>>I've been playing on FS2004 for a few weeks and I'm starting>to get the hang of it... I'm looking for some help with two>Secondly, I'm after some more Aircraft to fly apart from the>default ones already in FS2004. I'm not to good with computers>so are there any Aircraft which come with the Panel, Sound,>Lights, Textures etc aready in the file? Like a 'full>packaged' Aircraft so I don't have to spend too much time>messing about with different files etc. I'm into Commercial>Passenger Aircraft. I've had a look on the File Libary but I'm>not too sure what I'm looking for... Is there any 'full>packaged' Aircraft which you can recommend?If you're into airliners, you can download excellent freeware ones here:http://www.projectopensky.com/downloads-index.phpMarco

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Also look for these freeware packagesiFly 747737 Experience 737exp11.zipTin Mouse 737 version 2Any Premier Aircraft Design/Barry Blaisdell aircraft (Dash8, TurboBeaver, etc)My favorite freeware ATRs are the many releases of the model by Francisco S

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>Hi Sam, and welcom to the community.>>Let me assure you, that we are many dedicated simmers who will>stick to FS2004 (FS9) for a long time to come. ;-)..and many dedicated simmers that will go with FSX even though I don't see any mention of FSX in Sam's post.Welcome Sam, for a one click install of real world airlines, check out Ultimate Traffic from Flight1Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/ambanner.jpg

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Oh,...I forgot the most important thing,.....to suggest Stellan Hilmerby

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Welcome Sam in the wonderfull world of Fligh Simulation and this great community here at AVSIM ;-)As for your question:The most realistic airliner around the virtual block is:http://www.leveldsim.com/sevensix_home.aspOnline shops:http://www.simpilot.com/avsim.htmhttp://www.flight1.com/http://secure.simmarket.com/default.phpOther realistic payware aircraft:http://www.phoenix-simulation.co.uk/http://www.precisionmanuals.com/http://www.feelthere.com/http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/index.htmHave fun and of course there is lot of great freeware out there too...Also the "New" Flight sim version will be out in a few weeks called "FSX":http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorx/Andr

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GEE WHIZ, Guys!! I think he said he was fairly new to simming, so I'm not understanding why so many recommendations for payware without equal time for "FREEWARE Til You Learn" stuff??Hi, Sam, and welcome to the party.You said that your are looking to add more traffic to the airport? Okay, I can't think of a better website that www.projectai.com to start with. you can get a vast amout of airline packages there and an automatic installer to make filling up an airport quick and painless for a "newbie". You can also get a vast amount of knowlege and help from the forum there as well as AFCADS which will provide more realistic parking and loads of gates. they also have a tools to remove the default aircraft if you desire. Go look!:-) But be aware that PAI Aircraft are not not always the most framerate friendly AI aircraft available. You will eventually think about changing the plane to those made by others like AI Ardvark,EvoleAi, CDAI, And others. But that is a whole different addiction. Best advice...Read. There are numerous tutorials out there to help ease your pain:-)There are numerous "packages" out there which not only have the aircraft , but the panel and sounds. AVSIMS is full of them. There are other sites as well, but I'm partial:-) But if I make make a suggestion to you , go into the library here and search for "Flight Sim Handy Center" (FSHC.zip) It is a lttle file that will give you all kinds of information and sites to get particular stuff you need. I don't remember who made it but I thank him/her for doing it. it comes in handy all the time. Trust me...you want it:-)You don't have to limit your self to package deals for your aircraft for lack of computer skills. There are people in this community playingthis game/sim who are genius types. Somebody knows the answer to your question or can point you to it. I suggest that you go to the library and get "Flight Sim Manager 2.8.5" (FMS285.zip)by Rana Hossain. It will handle alot of your installing chores for you among other items. With it you can download the plane you want, the panel you want, the sound you want and let the program do the dirty work as you learn to do it yourself. You will learn to do it yourself:-) You like Alitalia...Go get it! Get it and make it what you want. You already have the skill if you use the tools somebody has already made for us.Finally, read every "tips&tricks* by David "opa" Marshall. There are about 1000 of them....Okay...Maybe 22 of them. Lot of information for beginners to pros. they are in the library. He is not the only authority but he spends his time pointing you to authorities.For right now you can have most everything you need for free and some freeware is better than some payware. I am not against payware stuff. I have payware stuff. But you have to be careful with your hobby dollars. Learn what you want from this hobby. It's too broad and addicting of a hobby to leap into without experimentation and expierience. Heck!!! It made me buy a new computer just to have better performance and storage for downloads!!! AND...I'm still not satisfied!!!!:-) Breathe!!! Be Patient!!! Read!!! Experiment!!! And most important...ENJOY!!!!!!Best regardsJan1,KINDWhen I push the button and it works, I'm happy:-)

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>For right now you can have most everything you need for free>and some freeware is better than some payware. >>I am not against payware stuff. I have payware stuff. But you>have to be careful with your hobby dollars. Learn what you>want from this hobby. It's too broad and addicting of a hobby>to leap into without experimentation and expierience. Heck!!!>It made me buy a new computer just to have better performance>and storage for downloads!!! AND...I'm still not>satisfied!!!!:-) >>Breathe!!! Be Patient!!! Read!!! Experiment!!! And most>important...ENJOY!!!!!!Very well said !I was also wondering how come people immediately starts to promote payware stuff. :-rollFreeware is the way to go. But if you feel to make the step into payware, you should read the product reviews here at Avsim very careful before you make up your mind. ;-)http://www.scandicair.com/images/sa_banner.gifFSX..?? What

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Yes, I was wondering the same thing, seeing it as saying something about where the hobby is going.Certainly, there has never been as many offerings either free or payware available for the hobby. I think it's wonderful how it is all coming together, and that there is room for both, and that it is a good thing both are available, and that in a way there is competition between the two that is good for both.In my mind, I wouldn't propose either way that a person choose to go payware or freeware. It is up to the person how they want to invest their time and money.For me, I've found that a combination works best for me. I could not do without Ultimate terrain, and believe I will want it even for FSX. Water, roads, terrain (mesh, not part of UT I know), and landmarks are very important to me. But I love the freeware aircraft and scenery, too. And see it as my duty to add to the community as well (speaking of which, I recently released new versions of some of the scenery I've done on my website). And certainly along with Milton Shupe's, Long Island Classics, and too many other freeware authors to list, there are several excellent payware aircraft, too.I do think going forward, that a freeware component is extremely important to keeping our addiction alive. A cost of entry of zero will attract many people to the hobby. But I also believe that we will see more payware than ever going forward. And that's a good thing, as quality will surely increase, and will filter over to the freeware.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)

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I just wanted to point out that "the most realistic on the block" title is held by the PMDG 747-400 pax and freighter, with the LDS a close second.But since this person is new to the hobby, I suggest freeware airplanes as a good start

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>Firstly, I'm looking to add more traffic to the airport. Not>so much of the default Airlines, more real-life Airlines like>'Alitalia' etc. Is there anyway that this can be done?http://www.projectai.com/ (freeware AI traffic library)http://www.world-of-ai.com/ (another one)They provide quite easy to use installers, so adding new AI flight plans isn't that hard.Of course, there are also payware add-ons which were already listed in this thread.>Secondly, I'm after some more Aircraft to fly apart from the>default ones already in FS2004. I'm not to good with computers>so are there any Aircraft which come with the Panel, Sound,>Lights, Textures etc aready in the file? Like a 'full>packaged' Aircraft so I don't have to spend too much time>messing about with different files etc. I'm into Commercial>Passenger Aircraft. I've had a look on the File Libary but I'm>not too sure what I'm looking for... Is there any 'full>packaged' Aircraft which you can recommend?As for freeware - I can highly recommend the iFly 747-400 - a very feature rich Boeing 747-400 with a complete panel (including virtual cockpit), very well modeled systems and a 300+ pages manual. This is a complex package, but it really comes very "complete" so you just download and install it. It will keep you busy for a while, but you will have to learn a lot.It can be found in the file library here at avsim, just do a search for IFly 747 and you will find a number of files related to this product.As for payware airliners. There are lots of very good packages. PMDG, Level-D and PSS seem to be the most popular producers of good quality addons. You can get everything from a B737 up to a 747-400. Links were already posted here.

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