I am noticing that these odd USR/USER waypoints are sometimes automatically added into my flight plan in either the SID or STAR section and it's really annoying as to what they are??? They can't be deleted and it seems like this a bug. I have researched and see that others are facing the same issues. 

I fly mostly in the TBM 930 with wt3000 mod and the FBWA320NX.

If you guys are also seeing these waypoints, feel free to UPVOTE on this thread so that Asobo can be aware of the problem and potentially fix it.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/random-user-waypoints-set-by-the-system-flight-plan-logic-failure-different-planes/306962

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by captain420

I only saw that today when preparing to land in KBOS. Wanted to shortcut the approach and selected direct to A10 when I realized that it deleted my complete flight plan in the modded neo FMS. Selected then KBOS manually as destination and that became such a user waypoint. Made sense to me. But not that the whole plan is deleted once I select direct to....

I found a video on youtube on how to work around this issue until the problem can be addressed by Asobo.

 

Sound like you sorted.

If it helps i think there is another video who had waypoint problems.

Cannot remember the link but he was a real world pilot flying A320m and he was able to modify

a waypoint on the flight director/fmsc

It's not really sorted. That video is just showing a temporary fix or workaround for the issue. It still needs to be fixed by Asobo.

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by captain420

Fair enough. I dont think the other video fixed either

he got a messy waypoint procedure and was able to clean it up

somewhat with the FD.

Needs Asobo to fix

 

The Community Groups are looking at this also... Lets hope that someone comes up with a fix 😉

It is indeed most annoying to have "USER" show up as a waypoint...

11 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

The Community Groups are looking at this also... Lets hope that someone comes up with a fix 😉

It is indeed most annoying to have "USER" show up as a waypoint...

Please upvote on the thread I linked in the original post if you can Bert.

Thanks

14 minutes ago, captain420 said:

Please upvote on the thread I linked in the original post if you can Bert.

Thanks

Done, and comments added..

A simple DTO FITPA should result in a readout of -->FITPA, and not USER-->FITPA.

A USER fix is one that the sim drops when an approach or Direct To is activated. A USR waypoint is a waypoint on a procedure, usually an approach procedure, that is defined by a non-ICAO waypoint. There's a problem in the way that these waypoints, that are held exclusively in an airport data file and not in the main ICAO database, are parsed and displayed. We are indeed working around this with a revised flight plan manager by loading them in a different way. 

Not being able to delete them is a different issue. In the default flight plan management regime, the approach is actually held in a separate flight plan managed by the sim gps engine, separate from the rest of the flight plan, which includes departure, enroute and arrival waypoints. There is not a way in the default flight plan system to amend or alter an approach procedure in any way, so that's why these can't be interacted with. Part of our work is pulling approach waypoints into the main plan to eliminate this limitation, but that's still a pretty big work in progress.

1 hour ago, cwburnett said:

Not being able to delete them is a different issue.

I wonder if as an interim step, you cannot simply choose not to display the USER waypoint when it appears... Display either nothing or four blanks.

From my programming days, I would know to test for waypoint-name="USER", and then display "    ".

BTW.. thanks for clarifying the difference between USER and USR.. these seem to be quite different scenarios.. 😉

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke

So USR and USER waypoints are different? I thought they were the same, just displayed differently depending on the plane's FMC.

1 hour ago, Bert Pieke said:

I wonder if as an interim step, you cannot simply choose not to display the USER waypoint when it appears... Display either nothing or four blanks.

From my programming days, I would know to test for waypoint-name="USER", and then display "    ".

BTW.. thanks for clarifying the difference between USER and USR.. these seem to be quite different scenarios.. 😉

Yea, they can be hidden - we hide them from our DIR TO page on the CJ4 right now. Problem is, since the autopilot is going to fly to them, hiding them from the map might be more confusing than not. They are legitimate parts of the procedure, it just doesn't lookup the right name right now.

1 hour ago, captain420 said:

So USR and USER waypoints are different? I thought they were the same, just displayed differently depending on the plane's FMC.

Different. But, it appears arbitrary how they named them in the code - they're both waypoints with no ICAO ident, so when ident is blank, it fills in USR or USER. USER is how the code is written for activating an approach or direct to, while the separate code that names the unidentified approach procedure waypoint assigns USR. This stuff is in the flight plan manager and not in a specific FMS.

For a DTO, the autopilot does not fly to the USER waypoint.. in the g1000 PFD and FPL page, it could be removed (please).

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke

18 minutes ago, cwburnett said:

Yea, they can be hidden

Yes, please on the G1000  (and on the GNS530..)