23 hours ago, Cmcollazo71 said:

 

Paraphrasing Epictetus, “Don’t wish for things to be as you wish, but wish that they be as they are.”

Well if all human beings were like that we would still be living on trees.

Being unsatisfied with what we have is exactly what brought us here. It is exactly what brought you the flight simulator you are enjoying ....

Andrea

1 hour ago, ADamiani said:

Well if all human beings were like that we would still be living on trees.

There’s a bit more to Stoicism and beyond the scope of this forum.

He was referring to eudaimonia.

All progress isn’t always as it seems and peace of mind is a goal unto itself.

 

2 hours ago, Cmcollazo71 said:

All progress isn’t always as it seems and peace of mind is a goal unto itself.

 

definitely.

I know what he is referring to, but I am a researcher in real life. My approach is quite the opposite: find what can be improved and study how to achieve that improvement. (Then publish and hope for a good review) :-)))

So I look at FS2020 and see a lot of good/great things to be enjoyed. And I enjoy them, rest assured: my first sim (FS2 on a Commodore 64) had no stutters, because its frame rate was 3-8 frames per second, so I appreciate the progress here.

I also see that something is lacking or done wrong (it's a long list) and I hope it will be fixed

Finally, I see a few things that get worse with each update. This worries me a lot.

And I am pretty sure that if people do not flag problems and ask for improvements, the developers will use their time for something else.

That's all, and a happy new year to all

Andrea

On 12/29/2020 at 3:04 PM, sightseer said:

I find it really odd that there are mods to fix problems that people who never modded their systems in the first place don't have.

For example,  I see a lot of complaints about tree view distance but my non modded system looks just fine to me.

I think people unknowingly cause their own problems sometimes.  

I both envy you for having a system so awesome that you don't need to fix anything and feel sorry for you living with stock avionics, aircraft, etc.

On 12/29/2020 at 9:04 PM, sightseer said:

I find it really odd that there are mods to fix problems that people who never modded their systems in the first place don't have.

For example,  I see a lot of complaints about tree view distance but my non modded system looks just fine to me.

I think people unknowingly cause their own problems sometimes.  

Absolutely, look for problems where there are none. Human stupidity...

1 hour ago, Phantoms said:

I both envy you for having a system so awesome that you don't need to fix anything and feel sorry for you living with stock avionics, aircraft, etc.

He's just not as picky as some of you guys. I'm the same way. I don't care about seeing trees as far as the eye can see, I don't care about running at ultra, I don't care about the default jets so the basic avionics suite is more than enough and I fly on vatsim all the time. That's why a lot of us are not having any problems. 

Never had a ctd until I decided to try some liveries. Removed them and no more ctd. Like the op said, some people create their own problems 

I';m not saying that some people don't create their own problems, just that it you're picky about what mods you do use you can improve your experience without causing problems.

The tree distance mod I linked for instance filled an actual need. I too don't care about trees as far as anyone can see, but I do care when they're popping in and out right in front of me. Not having a system that can run on ultra to alleviate some of this means that having a mod that does so and doesn't effect fps or reliability is a good alternative. Understanding exactly what the mod does and that it has absolutely no chance of causing CTDs, etc. goes a long way too.

Another example is the avionics mods. I don't understand how someone would prefer to use the stock MSFS Garmin avionics when so much better is available. You can't call yourself a serious simmer that likes to do things realistically and then say no mods. It's a major contradiction!

10 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I';m not saying that some people don't create their own problems, just that it you're picky about what mods you do use you can improve your experience without causing problems.

The tree distance mod I linked for instance filled an actual need. I too don't care about trees as far as anyone can see, but I do care when they're popping in and out right in front of me. Not having a system that can run on ultra to alleviate some of this means that having a mod that does so and doesn't effect fps or reliability is a good alternative. Understanding exactly what the mod does and that it has absolutely no chance of causing CTDs, etc. goes a long way too.

Another example is the avionics mods. I don't understand how someone would prefer to use the stock MSFS Garmin avionics when so much better is available. You can't call yourself a serious simmer that likes to do things realistically and then say no mods. It's a major contradiction!

Not everyone is a serious simmer. Some people just want to have fun and you can still be a serious simmer without using the avionics. Lots of planes available without glass cockpits or GPS. The c152 is the perfect example. One of the best planes in the sim without a GPS or avionics package 

@Phantoms

If you feel the need for a mod that pushes the sim past the point of what it is capable of by default then that is your business.  But there are statements in the 'trees as far as you can see' thread that insinuate that the default sim will only give you a small radius of trees and/or buildings and this simply isn't true.

If a person starts by using settings that lower visual quality (like setting render scaling to less than 100 which was advocated on this website at one time) and then reaches for mods to regain what they could have with better settings, it seems to me they just set themselves up for trouble.

This thread is in response to tree view distance and not avionics or airplane mods.  I am personally cautious about modding a constantly changing simulator and as I said earlier I am very glad that Asobo is working in collaboration with people like Working Title and I hope Asobo works with others who know how to fix the default aircraft so that everyone can enjoy the improvements and everyone (including asobo) will be closer to being on the same page as it were.

If a person has a problem that is created by their misuse of settings and then 'solved' by a mod, I don't think its right or good for them to advocate the inclusion of that mod to the default sim.

that's my story and Im stickin to it cause I got no reason to lie, yeah...

The default sim for some does limit your tree radius to a small area without tweeking any of the settings. My sim was set to High by default with a LOD of 100 by default. None of that has changed, but the default config as MSFS saw fit also caused trees to pop in and out of existence well within my sight radius to the point that it was distracting. This wasn't always as bad, but Asobo fixed the tree height in an update because many people were complaining (rightfully so) of trees being to tall.

Unfortunately, the LOD distance of trees is tied to the height of the trees. So by making the trees smaller, Asobo made the LOD shrink for the same settings. This was much more obvious to people that don't have the LOD set very high. The fact that LOD was tied to tree height was discovered by some tinkering by modders to see why the LOD radius got smaller. So now we know that if we increase maximum tree height then the tree LOD will increase and we can avoid this popping in and out.

Now how can we go about this without the obvious, which is making the trees bigger. Some enterprising soles cracked it by making a tree variant that is way bigger than the others, and then setting it so it's chance to spawn so low that the chances of ever seeing that very large tree are next to nothing. It was also found that doing this had not only the benefit of increasing the tree LOD so that they are not popping in/out all around you, but that there was no noticeable hit to FPS. Such a simple soultion to fix a complex problem with no chance of causing problems.

Now knowing this, you may ask why not just crank the LOD to 200? The simple answer is doing that affects much more than trees and does in fact provide a significant hit on FPS. So these mods gives us back some of the lost Tree LOD without costing us performance or reliability. It's a win-win and it's just one of the win-win mods that have come about since MSFS came out.

 

You can't throw all mods under the bus and tell all people that they caused their own problems. While many times it is indeed true, many times it's not. It's important to stick to quality mods, try and understand what they are doing, only get mods you know you'll use, and use something like the Addon Linker mod manager to only load up mods you're going to use during that session. And if you do have any issues, you can quickly disable all mods and then see if the issue is still present. While you will still have people that download and install any and everything and then have problems, it's better to point out to why they're having those problems than to say to everyone that you're causing your own problems by using any mods at all, so don't use them. It's simply not true.

 

16 hours ago, Phantoms said:

My sim was set to High by default with a LOD of 100 by default. None of that has changed,

Why not?  just curious but it seems to me you'd have changed that in an attempt to get 'more trees and buildings'

what is your render scaling set to?

I did and noticed that increase LOD comes at a fps cost, so back to default 100. I play at 1440 and leave render scaling alone (1:1 scaling). I do not want to constantly tweak like everybody did with FSX and deal with all the complications that came with that. If the OP wants to talk about players causing their own problems, he can reflect back on previous flight sims being tweaked left and right in the cfg files and settings, always trying to get that last feature or extra fps.

11 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I do not want to constantly tweak like everybody did with FSX and deal with all the complications that came with that.

Whats the difference between a tweak and a mod?  Im confused.  maybe you can explain it to me.

The game looks very good in LOD 200, but with the tree mod it looks just as good in LOD 100, but with better performance, that's why I use it.