10 hours ago, wim123 said:

really??? i hardly notice those.

well i guess msfs is not for you, there are lotsa tiny lil things amiss, they dont bother me.

if that makes a sim unusable for you, wow

In that photo this particular anomaly is far away, but it looks like that right up until you are on top of it. I'm just pointing out that it's visible even in that photo. Also ALL of those islands are shifting and morphing, not just the highlighted one. If it doesn't bother you, then that's awesome! Try flying around the Hoover Dam area and tell me it doesn't bother you. If it still doesn't, then we are very different people, and that's ok too. This is a topic on the FS forum with almost 200 votes, so I know I'm not totally crazy!

9 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'm with you. I watched the 47 second video on the first page and am still not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing. I see some pop-in, but nothing that would render the sim "unusable".

As for the pic with the "three little hills" - again, I wouldn't even notice that.

I guess if you're THAT critical, simulation and games in general are probably not the right hobby for you.

For the record, I've been happily using flight sims since the 80's. This isn't about being critical. This is about a change. Something that was not there and now is there. A change that may seem small to you guys, but has a major effect on the sim. (for me)  Please go look at my photo sequence on the first page for reference.

Here is an analogy - You buy a very expensive car like a Ferrari. It is fantastic for the first few months. It has a few little niggles that need attention like a squeak and a rattle, but for the most part you love it. Then 1 day the headlights stop working. Are headlights on there own a major item, no not really. But now you cannot drive at night. It makes the car unusable even if it is a minor item. You post your issue on a forum and some people agree it needs fixing, but other (like the 2 fellows above) say "Its a tiny issue and you could just drive in the daytime!" Sure, I guess you guys are right, but I paid for a car that I can drive 24 hours a day and it should work like it used to.

Hopefully, just like headlights, this is fixable. 

 

Edited February 18, 20215 yr by erick

Hi Erick,

as promised, I made a flight in the Nanaimo area today. Here's the route:

It take a couple of minutes only to see the issue after takoff to the North, when nearing Gabriola Island

The cliff is indeed heavily morphing upon approach and I saw houses in the air which jump onto ground when it takes shape. I saw a few more on this 10 flight, one pretty well-visible on downwind.

Not sure that's a relief for you, but seemingly it's neither your system nor your settings.

Maybe, it's just the regions where I fly or my style of flying, but I've - fortunately - rarely seen such ugly morphing in MSFS elsewhere. One measure you can take, make a Zendesk report. No guarantee it will help, and certainly not immediately, but some of my Zendesk notes were taken into account over time.

Kind regards, Michael

Unusable means NOBODY can use it. 

Wrong because me and many others are and will continue to use.

Those things you should report in zendesk to ASOBO and we, the users,  (at lest me) don't need to know.

Please report BIG things, like CTD's, etc.

In any case thank you  for the report if indeed was meant constructive

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR

AirHispania Virtual Airlines

http://airhispania.com/index.php?tCod=mod_index

 

 

Edited February 20, 20215 yr by wlix261

1 hour ago, pmb said:

Hi Erick,

as promised, I made a flight in the Nanaimo area today. Here's the route:

Thanks so much for checking that out Michael. Really appreciate it. And yes, your feedback does help. Cheers. ps- Zendesk has been filed

58 minutes ago, wlix261 said:

Unusable means NOBODY can use it. 

Wrong because me and many others are and will continue to use.

Those things you should report in zendesk to ASOBO and we, the users,  (at lest me) don't need to know.

Please report BIG things, like CTD's, etc.

In any case thank you  for the report if indeed was meant constructive

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR

AirHispania Virtual Airlines

http://airhispania.com/index.php?tCod=mod_index

Unusable for me & others that are challenged by this issue. This is a major issue to many people. Not everyone. Yes, it is absolutely meant to be constructive. If it wasn't, I would have quietly deleted MSFS and gone on my merry way. Some people post about an ILS that isn't functioning correctly or an autopilot bug or a taxiway sign that is too big. Those particular issues don't bother me right now, so I don't post in those particular threads, as they are not a concern to me. You should follow that same principal. 

9 minutes ago, erick said:

Thanks so much for checking that out Michael. Really appreciate it. And yes, your feedback does help. Cheers. ps- Zendesk has been filed

Unusable for me & others that are challenged by this issue. This is a major issue to many people. Not everyone. Yes, it is absolutely meant to be constructive. If it wasn't, I would have quietly deleted MSFS and gone on my merry way. Some people post about an ILS that isn't functioning correctly or an autopilot bug or a taxiway sign that is too big. Those particular issues don't bother me right now, so I don't post in those particular threads, as they are not a concern to me. You should follow that same principal. 

Please, kindly use, "in my case its unusable" or "for many in X and Y its unusable", to make your own "constructive" point specific. That's all... not asking for too much...

and....... Not Principal , "Principle" ... right?

Cheers,

Rgds

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR 

AirHispania Virtual Airlines

http://airhispania.com/

 

26 minutes ago, wlix261 said:

Please, kindly use, "in my case its unusable" or "for many in X and Y its unusable", to make your own "constructive" point specific. That's all... not asking for too much...

and....... Not Principal , "Principle" ... right?

Cheers,

Rgds

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR 

AirHispania Virtual Airlines

http://airhispania.com/

For the spelling correction - agreed! Good catch lol

For the telling me how I should correct the title of a thread that upsets you in some weird way (even though its honest, polite and perfectly descriptive of my issue) - ....Ummm .... kindly... NO!!!

THE TITLE LITERALLY SAYS UNUSABLE FOR ME AFTER THE LATEST UPDATE!!!!!!!!!

Edited February 20, 20215 yr by erick

Yep, completely unusable!

To the OP, you need to let this go. The pics you show reveal nothing dramatic or something that would make the sim "unusable" Given that MSFS is attempting to depict the entire world, with data generated from real maps, it stands to reason that a significant portion will need improvement/isn't rendered properly, etc. The sim is about 6 months. Compare what you get with what P3D has to offer. 

Then again, I'm a glass half full kinda guy (shrug).

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

To the OP, you need to let this go. The pics you show reveal nothing dramatic or something that would make the sim "unusable" Given that MSFS is attempting to depict the entire world, with data generated from real maps, it stands to reason that a significant portion will need improvement/isn't rendered properly, etc. The sim is about 6 months. Compare what you get with what P3D has to offer. 

Then again, I'm a glass half full kinda guy (shrug).

Pictures certainly can't reveal morphing as such but show the regions where it happens and, perhaps, before/after. And the region in question seems to be indeed prone to it. And in this region it is disturbing, even more, if you happen to live there.

Fortunately not all of the MSFS world is affected  but rather limited areas, why ever. Nonetheless, I feel these should be isolated and amended.

Kind regards, Michael

9 hours ago, pmb said:

The cliff is indeed heavily morphing upon approach and I saw houses in the air which jump onto ground when it takes shape. I saw a few more on this 10 flight, one pretty well-visible on downwind.

Thanks for the test. If you find the time, could you also fly over the area in Glacier Park I mentioned in the previous page? In that entire area I'm seeing awful morphing and the entire mountains shifting up and down, especially with Terrain Level of Detail set to 100 or below.

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

To the OP, you need to let this go.

Those of you experiencing no issues with the simulator and feeling satisfied with it, why not just ignore these threads and use that energy to fly? Clearly the original poster is not alone in this, so this thread has a purpose.

53 minutes ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

Thanks for the test. If you find the time, could you also fly over the area in Glacier Park I mentioned in the previous page? In that entire area I'm seeing awful morphing and the entire mountains shifting up and down, especially with Terrain Level of Detail set to 100 or below.

I don't know that region as well as the Vancouver area but will try over the weekend and write back.

Kind regards, Michael

I've seen this morphing issues here and there around the globe, and the Washington State and Vancouver area are such places I have noticed it in, but there is nothing that would make me stop playing, but I expect this problem will be resolved eventually.

On 2/18/2021 at 2:58 AM, wim123 said:

really??? i hardly notice those.

well i guess msfs is not for you, there are lotsa tiny lil things amiss, they dont bother me.

if that makes a sim unusable for you, wow

Don't you know most of these guys are drama queen? These are the some of the same problems they've endured during the fsx and p3d years and now all of a sudden msfs is "unflyable" lmao

1 hour ago, devgrp said:

Don't you know most of these guys are drama queen? These are the some of the same problems they've endured during the fsx and p3d years and now all of a sudden msfs is "unflyable" lmao

Eh, I've never seen entire mountains and coastlines shifting up and down in FSX/P3D, or floating trees and buildings when the coastline is rendered incorrectly.

The point is, the morphing problem was much less severe before Sim Update 2. Asking for a visual degradation to be fixed is not unreasonable.

I don't consider myself a drama queen. I've been living with the morphing issue (and a number of others like autogen popping and flying houses) for more than a decade in Prepar3d. I even have enjoyed Prepar3d for quite some time despite. However, it's dauting to see these issues coming up over an over in the official P3D forum and LM not even ackowleding, even less tackling them.

If you trace my posting history here at AVSIM and in the official forum - starting from early alpha - you will find me as a strong defender of MSFS from its beginning. I also don't consider MSFS unusable for me, even more as I see these annnoances in limited areas only and others inheritances like the popping autogen have been resolved in MSFS. Aside the fact the simulator as a whole is a big step into the future. However, I think these issues deep in the root of the FSX/ESP engine must be resolved, finally, and in my mind it's fully justified if users point to them, even over and over.

Kind regards, Michael

12 hours ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

Thanks for the test. If you find the time, could you also fly over the area in Glacier Park I mentioned in the previous page? In that entire area I'm seeing awful morphing and the entire mountains shifting up and down, especially with Terrain Level of Detail set to 100 or below.

Hi,

here we go. First the original coordinates in the N/W system in case someone wants to re-check:

N 48°47'55.099"    W 113°37'34.541"

That's the ciruit I made in the mountains (in the C152):

To summarize, I saw a few morphing hills, but nothing really terrible, and given I was flying (too) low I think I wouldn't be disturbed during an ordinary flight. Here is one shot where I observed some mild morphing:

The point may be in my settings: I have plainly everything maxed (Ultra) and notably the Terrain LOD slider at 200 when flying in 2D (doesn't work in 3D though). The only slider I left at 100 is Render Scaling. (As a sidenote: Render Scaling  is pretty much the only parameter massively affecting performance on my system.)

For comparison, I recall heavy morphing in Prepar3d when taking off from KSFO for a 10' flight over the hills to Halfmoon Bay KHAF. This was definitely worse than what I've just seen in Glacier Park today. Nonetheless, I would of course be glad to see the remaining reshaping removed, even more, as different systems / settings may be more or less prone.

Kind regards, Michael