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Vista? Don't Want It, Don't Need It, Don't Care!

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Hello All:I know those few that read my infrequent posts may be tired of me being the wet blanket when it comes to Vista (with my little catch phrase title here), but, seriously, I'm looking for someone to explain why I, or anyone would NEED the new operating system, if they have a recent XP system that is working correctly. I read an article in PC World that states many applications actually run SLOWER under Vista than XP, so, well, that's certainly not a selling point. Don't get me wrong I'm not "Anti Vista." (Althought I did buy a new computer now, so that I could specify XP Pro, and not have to deal with it yet). When I buy my next PC in a few years, having it already installed and cofigured for me won't give me fits, like say, a DOS diehard would have had, I just don't feel like messing with the UPGRADE path if everything is working well. I don't see a reason for it. I don't care about the new widgets or the new interface. So, why do I or anyone NEED it?

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Basically people said the same thing about XP shortly before it came out.Plus all these articles saying the performance of Vista is horrible isn't taking into account the fact that most of the drivers for video, audio and other things aren't ready yet. For example, Creative Labs has yet to put out a driver that is even somewhat acceptable in Vista. Nvidia's drivers aren't too bad, but getting better.I remember the same issues with drivers for XP when it was about to get released.So it all comes down to the issue that the OS isn't even released yet, the drivers aren't mature yet, and everyone has an opinion.Me personally, I will probably switch to Vista in the future. I get a free upgrade to Vista for the HP that I bought recently.I am in no rush to upgrade though. I played around with Vista a bit, and sure it sure looks pretty. The added security of Vista is actually a nusiance to me and I turned it off immediately because I don't want to be bothered by all that. Plus I actually know what I am doing and find XP just fine for security and Vista overly bloated for all the noobs in this world with computers.The reason I will upgrade to Vista eventually is because of DX10. That and the fact that new programs and such will be written to take advantage of Vista in some way.

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>Hello All:>>I know those few that read my infrequent posts may be tired of>me being the wet blanket when it comes to Vista (with my>little catch phrase title here), but, seriously, I'm looking>for someone to explain why I, or anyone would NEED the new>operating system, Main compelling reason for a gaming to upgrade ..is to get DX10Regards,Vern

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I've been running Vista RC1 on my primary PC since it became available and I expect to have the retail version running on my new PC when I'm finished building it in a couple weeks. I think the two things that will have people moving to Vista is security and entertainment. We've heard plenty about security improvements so enough about that. Entertainment is the big one. Vista has many features geared towards enhancing the multimedia experience and third-party developers are going to build on these. Movies, TV-on-the-PC, digital recording, photos, and music are integrated into the OS. And games will be incredible! It's not going to be like the big bang and happen instantly. It will take time, just like XP, FS 9, etc. Do you need it? That depends on what level of Maslow's hierarchy you live in. It is the natural progression of things (even if it isn't 100% original). Sooner or later you'll catch up.

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Hi GuysYes, I understand all that. I've been using computers since DOS 3.1, and have been a beta tester for several Microsoft products. My issue is as soon as a new OS or major program upgrade comes out, the "computer press" falls all over itself to get everyone to get it. My point is no one NEEDS it RIGHT THIS MINUTE. I guess I'm just trying to advise people dont get caught up in the upgrade hype machine. Now, someone buying a new machine, that's different it will be preinstalled. Someone with a machine say less than a year old, will probably get good results. But everyone else, even those with FSX I think should wait. We do use our computers for other things your know :) Uh, dont we? P.S. I never understood why would i want to watch movies on my PC? I have digital cable, a DVD recorder and a TV for that :)

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DX10...Anyway, many said the same about XP... Look how that went... I have a big distaste for Vista because of DRM and whatnot, but I still think Vista overall seems like a good OS.Oh, and I'm writing this post on my MacBook BTW :)

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Upgrading to vista because of DX10, doesnt sound like a very good idea to me. Thats a very expensive upgrade, OS + DX10 card. And what extra performance will you get for the money, nobody knows yet, maybe nothing. Vista and gaming will for sure be the future on the pc, but not now, and probably not for the next 3-4 years.

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My personal 'rule' is to never use a new OS until its been out for at least a year, because unless MS plans on paying me, Im not interested in using a beta product. And that is exactly what any new OS is when released, so MS can use consumers to finish the testing, while we pay for the 'priviledge'.

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Speaking of DX10 and Vista; what happened to the "rumor" of the DX 9 version that was/is supposed to be the DX10 of XP?

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"P.S. I never understood why would i want to watch movies on my PC? I have digital cable, a DVD recorder and a TV for that"You see? That's what MS is trying to change. Integration! How 'bout watching TV in a window while you fly that 747 over the Pacific? Inflight movie! I know this is not news to you. And we all know that someday soon (I think sooner than 3-4 years) we'll all be there. And then, MS or maybe even Apple will have the next big thing dangling in front of us. And we don't need it. But we like it, so we buy it. It just never ends!

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>"P.S. I never understood why would i want to watch movies on>my PC? I have digital cable, a DVD recorder and a TV for>that">>You see? That's what MS is trying to change. Integration! Don't forget about your cell phone :)I downloaded a free app last night called ORB. Streams any kind of media (live TV, music, photos, movies, etc.) directly from my computer to my cell phone over the internet.In 5-10 years our home computers will run our entire home entertainment network. Everything will go into the computer and then be distributed to any device with a screen. MS and Apple are both investing big in this area, so get used to it.Matt

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I don't think anyone out there is actually telling you to go and purchase Vista the second it becomes available.You have a choice, much like driving a car. That 2003 model your driving sure is nice, and will certainly last a few years to come while maintaining performance and reliability. But after those few years pass, it's time to buy something newer (yet again) if you want to maintain that performance and reliability.Vista is very similar. Sure, XP may be good enough for you now. But what about when MS cease to support it? What about when hardware vendors no longer design DX9 based products? What about when games are DX10 or even DX11? Will XP still be you OS?Times are moving ahead, you *need* an OS that can keep up, and it is your own free choice to do so. No one will ever make you do it, and you will always have resources like magazines and the internet to find out more about it. It won't matter to anyone but yourself, so convince yourself whether or not you need it, and go from there.

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That was rumored to be DX9L. The rumor was incorrect and DX9L is a DX9 compatiblity version for Vista not a DX10 compatible version for XP. You want DX10, you're gonna have to buy Vista, there will simply be no DX10 for XP.

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>After reading this I think I'll wait a good long while until>other people have dealt with Vista before buying it. (If>ever.)>>This is deranged.>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt"Wait a good long while" ? You betcha ! How about 10 years ?If anyone ever reads this, (and most wont, theyll blindly run out andbuy Vista because it supposedly the latest and greatest) they wouldnteven consider Beta Testing Vista (which is exactally what they'll be doing). I remember when XP was first released, what a piece of crud that was. I know of many people having to uninstall XP and reinstallmany of their programs because XP totally screwed them up. Finallyafter the usual multitude of "patches" XP became a useable OS.I didnt buy XP until MS finally stopped supporting 98. Ill wait untilMS doesnt support XP any more. Even then I have my doubts, unlessa plethura of changes are forth comming. Im not a gamer, the onlygame Ive got is FSX and even that is teetering on the brink ofhitting the bit bucket. I keep trying to convince myself to hangon until this so called patch comes out and if any 3rd party aircraftand panels are released that will change FSX from a game to a semidescent low end simulator. As someone else pointed out, why would I want to watch TV on a 21" computer monitor when I can walk intothe next room and watch it on a 53" big screen? Computer runningmy entertainment systems, maybe my house? I guess Im from the oldschool. I believe sometimes you just have to get up of your azzuse your brain and do things for your self. Cell phone on theinternet, gimme a break.So do I need Vista ? Not on your life. Will I have Vista ? Ditto(probably). I'll wait for Windows Kazamungia. Due to be releasedin 2015.

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Noone needs Vista. Noone needs FSX as well. If people are content with older versions, then so be it. Bottom line: Technology progresses and we can all complain about it and discuss the pros and contras of Vista ad nauseum, but it will become the standard OS that the majority of people around the globe are going to use within the next 2-5 years.Historically, every new release of Windows (in fact of any OS) runs "slower" than the previous version but that is due to the increasing complexity of the OS. I don't recall that Windows 3.1 (for example) had a built-in browser, media center, DX9, picture browser, memory manager, USB support, CD/DVD writing support, smartphones, plug-and-play, email client, AGP/PCIe support, Firewire, indexing service or web server, memory cards, just to name a few standard that are expected out of a modern operating system. Just the amount of drivers that are needed to support all this out-of-the-box is more than mindbloggling.Personally, I need Vista professionally and like to stay on top of things. The second WinXP got installed, my Win2k got sockdrawered. The same will happen with WinXP when Vista hits the streets.Pat

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Like most I will go kicking and screaming into the Vista age. It seems like XP only came out yesterday.:-( As soon as you get use to one OS they bring another one out.

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Well said.I will say it again with you; NO ONE NEEDS Vista. But everyone will eventually want it.Not because you love Bill or MSFT or necessarily Vista itself. You will because software designed for Vista will start populating the shelves and the internet and they will be faster, more effective and more fun than what you currently use.Support for XP will be slowly withdrawn. Patches become slower in coming out and less effective, and then one day you read online somewhere that support for XP will be done in two weeks.Then you find yourself rushing out to buy Vista only there is a lot to learn on the new OS. You start asking questions that have been asked and answered a billion times. Everyone around you it seems is a Vista expert.No, Nobody NEEDS Vista. But you see my point when I say you will eventually have it, be it next month, next year or whenever. So why not start now/soon prepping yourself and your software for it? Trust me when I say this; Vista is not as bad as what some people make it out to be and, not unlike all previous OSes, it will continue to improve with time.

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No one needs FSX or FS9 either but they bought it when it was available. I have had Vista Ultimate on my computer now since it was released to MSDN customers and would not go back to XP now. I had the betas and yes there were issues with drivers. So far there are only a couple of programs I use for Flight Simming that I don't have on because they don't work in Vista. The developers are waiting for Vista to remedy that. I could care less if you think it is slower and just a beta test for MS. I know what it does and when the developers get the 64bit programs working for Flight Sim I am updating to Vista 64bit. On my system (AMD Dual Core 4200, EVGA 7900GS w/256, 4g ram) it is fast and very very stable. It is quite different from the Betas and Release candidates. I am guessing you are basing your comments on them and not the final product. Stay with XP if you want. No one is going to force you to upgrade. But all your negatives towards Vista I personally do not see on my system. Ken

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>if you want. No one is going to force you to upgrade. But all>your negatives towards Vista I personally do not see on my>system. Ken"AMD Dual Core 4200, EVGA 7900GS w/256, 4g ram"Your PC is well above average, and will therefore run Vista smoothly. Try an average PC with Vista and you'll change your mind ;)

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"Try an average PC with Vista and you'll change your mind"Why, I upgraded the computer in September for FSX and Vista. I was looking ahead and don't plan on looking back. My only comment is that I am not seeing a degradation in performance but just the opposite. That was what I was saying. I was typing from actual experience with XP and Vista. Ken

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Like some others said, I being a FS junkie will only go to Vista when I have to, and that is when the DX10 update for FSX is out + 6 months.The only way I would go Vista sooner than that, would be if people say "DX10+FSX = awesome!". Otherwise I will let the bugs in the DX10 update get worked out first...RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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