13 hours ago, Flic1 said:

I fly with live WX and it seems to be caused by how it reacts/responds to turbulence but I get it all the time.  I have not seen this behavior in any other aircraft...

I also noticed a very strange reaction of the Arrow III to turbulence. But the new JF Arrow IV turbo model reacts to the weather in a completely different way, very naturally. Perhaps this is a problem with the dynamics of the first (Arrow III) model?

7 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Well some people would say real life Pipers fly like bricks  😄 

I know many real life pilots, and I have never heard that from any of them.  Very strange comment. 

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by Bobsk8

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I know many real life pilots, and I have never heard that from any of them.  Very strange comment. 

 

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/piper-cherokee-with-hershey-bar-wing-landing-with-some-power.118500/

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So what you've read about our Hershey bar wings turning into rocks at idle is true and it doesn't hurt to carry a little more rpm for a smoother touchdown. One last thing, ANY landing, engine out is a good one.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/6j5qv7/piper_seminole_landing_help/

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In the round-out if you find yourself floating a little too much, pull the power ever so slightly; just a warning: pipers have the glide of a brick at idle, piper twins even moreso ... Now that brick-inspired glide ratio and full flare landing? It's pretty great for short field. Just make sure you're pretty high before you do it, because you're coming down.

 

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/piper-cherokee-glide-speed-and-distance-question.94399/

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Just don't plan on gliding anywhere far away. Cherokees come down like bricks with the power out.

 

With MSFS Carenado stepped up their game a bit.  It used to be "They all look different but fly exactly the same".  Not so much with what they are producing for MSFS. They still have sort of a sterile lifeless feel to them because everything is so pristine and clean like it just came off the factory floor but they definitely don't have "copy/paste" Carenado flight model so many used to joke about

5 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/piper-cherokee-with-hershey-bar-wing-landing-with-some-power.118500/

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/6j5qv7/piper_seminole_landing_help/

 

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/piper-cherokee-glide-speed-and-distance-question.94399/

 

Many aircraft require a touch of power on landing, for a smooth landing. Has nothing to do with the flying characterics of Pipers which are excellent. The Carenado Arrow, doesn't stall correctly, and no Piper I have ever done a stall in, reacts the way that aircraft does. 

1 minute ago, styckx said:

With MSFS Carenado stepped up their game a bit.  It used to be "They all look different but fly exactly the same".  Not so much with what they are producing for MSFS. They still have sort of a sterile lifeless feel to them because everything is so pristine and clean like it just came off the factory floor but they definitely don't have "copy/paste" Carenado flight model so many used to joke about

I have two Carenado aircraft, the Mooney and the Seminole. I love the way both of them fly. 

I have almost everything else that Carenado has done for MSFS (just skipped the bi-plane) and I enjoy them quite a bit.  If it wasn’t for the release of the JF Arrow and how much I enjoy it I probably would have bought the Carenado Arrow in a heartbeat.  Frankly I probably will still buy it in a sale sometime.