11 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Light GA aircraft generally don't use STAR for obvious reasons

Exactly to my point!  The IAFs I have seen in the Navigraph Betas all appear to be associated with STARs or other arrival procedures and other published IAFs are missing.  KSUS, KBKL, and KBUF are airports that I have previously referred to. Those as examples.  They are certainly not the only ones. The RXP GPS models per the respective Garmin Trainers contain those IAFs.  Very unfortunate that technology and content that have been around for years has been left out so far.  Applies to both default MSFS navdata, which by the way improved with the most recent update, and Navigraph Beta.

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by fppilot

3 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Never saw a QR Code thingy though...

The QR Code thingy comes up when you've installed the new MSFS 2020 app, that allows you to add Navigraph to the MSFS toolbar, and access it directly in the game.

Especially useful for VR

At the moment you have to log in via a code or QR thingy every time - but Navigraph hope to fix this in the near future.

Here's the video about adding Navigraph to the MSFS toolbar in the game.

Eugene

 

13 hours ago, fppilot said:

Are you referencing just charts?  My post was about navdata. Airways, arrivals, departures, and more importantly, full compliments of IAFs (initial approach fixes) for GA airport approaches.  What I have found in Navigraph Beta are only those IAFs associated with jet or high speed arrival procedures.  Not what you use if in a GA with an IAS of under 160 knots.  Those IAFs are mostly still missing.  They are all there in the databases for Garmin Trainers and thus for GPS avionics for FSX, P3D, and Xplane.

 

Just the charts in the MSFS toolbar, it works fine with the Garmins.

12 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Exactly to my point!  The IAFs I have seen in the Navigraph Betas all appear to be associated with STARs or other arrival procedures and other published IAFs are missing.  KSUS, KBKL, and KBUF are airports that I have previously referred to. Those as examples.  They are certainly not the only ones. The RXP GPS models per the respective Garmin Trainers contain those IAFs.  Very unfortunate that technology and content that have been around for years has been left out so far.  Applies to both default MSFS navdata, which by the way improved with the most recent update, and Navigraph Beta.

OK, so let me understand. For example, KBUF ILS 23 approach in Navigraph you are missing TRAVA and CORVU when you activate/load approach GPS?

 

P.S. I don't use Navigraph beta as of right now, but in default MSFS navdata local airports that I use for practice approaches do show all fixes including IAF. Couples builds ago I did miss ILS approach at PAKT, but now MSFS fixed that! So I guess they add more stuff in navdata as they go

19 minutes ago, Overload said:

The QR Code thingy comes up when you've installed the new MSFS 2020 app, that allows you to add Navigraph to the MSFS toolbar, and access it directly in the game.

Especially useful for VR

At the moment you have to log in via a code or QR thingy every time - but Navigraph hope to fix this in the near future.

Here's the video about adding Navigraph to the MSFS toolbar in the game.

Eugene

 

Aye! Haven't seen that! For VR this might be useful but i prefer using it on a Tablet (Non VR). The G3000 implementation is a cool feature but a bit too much fiddling for my taste.

24 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

OK, so let me understand. For example, KBUF ILS 23 approach in Navigraph you are missing TRAVA and CORVU when you activate/load approach GPS?

 

P.S. I don't use Navigraph beta as of right now, but in default MSFS navdata local airports that I use for practice approaches do show all fixes including IAF. Couples builds ago I did miss ILS approach at PAKT, but now MSFS fixed that! So I guess they add more stuff in navdata as they go

Yes, and yes. The last major MSFS update added a lot of the missing IAFs.  I have disabled the Navigraph Beta for now.  Appears both MSFS default and Navigraph Beta have also just updated to the new Cycle 2106.  I have not yet checked to see if course reversals are included, such as for instance an arrival to KBUF via VOR BUF → TRAVA.

The way I use Navigraph in FS2020 is shown in photos below.

I use Navigraph Charts App, not the in sim charts. I find this works better and you don't need to enter code each new flight.

Just like for Xplane etc. you can, current plates and charts with position of aircraft right on the plate/chart. And this is the really cool part, the plates are shown over the charts. This can be STARS/SIDS/Approch Plates.

And the database is the same in the Garmin as the Navigraph plates show.

The way I fly is a lot of vectoring and partial STARS. As happens in GA planes for real.

It is cool to have real traffic shown and vector yourself between them into an airport like KBOS. You are part ATC and part pilot. I mostly use AP with heading and ALT modes, then hand fly the actual ILS or whatever approach. Sometimes I use AP to initialize the approach but I always end up flying the last 1000' of the approach. Like I do in real life.

In the photos below I am setting up for an ILS to 06 in KMHT. I am vectoring in to FITZY instead of flying the whole STAR. This is what would normally happen in reality.

 

Nice update - that ingame map really works great in VR. Feels like it's a part of the original game... Sure - the G3000 integration with the wt mod works good as well but this is way better!