18 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

Exactly. There's so many great resources available to properly configure or even self-build a great gaming PC at a reasonable cost.

I mean, just look at your own system description. It's a perfect, beautifully balanced configuration, and it probably cost half of what someone had to pay for a crappy Alienware prebuilt "gaming PC".

Yup, you start with buying a non-existent $2000 GPU, and go from there. 

You can run a "hybrid" liquid cooling option like I do - the Corsair H100i or H110i closed loop water cooler. Works darn well on my CPU which has been running permanently on a rock solid 4,7Ghz overclock for a few years now. Temps are never even close to concerning levels, even when at full tilt.

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by RaptyrOne

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yup, you start with buying a non-existent $2000 GPU, and go from there. 

Sure, the GPU is pricy (though not 2000$-pricy). My main point was that trying to get such a configuration as a prebuilt system for a reasonable price is almost impossible.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yup, you start with buying a non-existent $2000 GPU, and go from there. 

I'm going to refrain from making any assumptions and just come out and ask you directly.

What is the purpose of this post ?

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Maxis

15 minutes ago, Maxis said:

I'm going to refrain from making any assumptions and just come out and ask you directly.

What is the purpose of this post ?

To see if you have any sense of humor or recognize the issues in today's GPU market. Got it now? 

39 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

prebuilt system for a reasonable price is almost impossible

Agreed, i recently built my new rig (first time after 12 yrs) as seen in my signature below for 800 bucks, however tbo without GPU as I kept my MSI 1660 super. Be Quiet case, 750w gold power supply and dark rock 4 cooler, all non-existingly silent when flying and thus expected to be under load, 2 WD NVMW (500 for WIN and 1000 for MSFS) with 32gb 3200 dual RAM and of course the i7, old version but good price/performance ratio, CPU currently enroute in the CRJ from EDDM to EDDK at FL240 is at 14%, GPU around 80%, RAM usage at 12GB, GPU RAM at 3.8 of 6, so the system is actually bored. until I land, of course 😉 

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by DAD

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

To see if you have any sense of humor or recognize the issues in today's GPU market. Got it now? 

Frankly no i guess i dont have a sense of humor for comments made on an assumptive basis. Todays market or not.

and FYI no i paid nothing close to 2000 for my GPU

but you can carry on ..

16 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Frankly no i guess i dont have a sense of humor for comments made on an assumptive basis. Todays market or not.

and FYI no i paid nothing close to 2000 for my GPU

but you can carry on ..

When did you buy your GPU, which one, and what did you pay for it? 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-pricing-index/3

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

Not sure why your pressing the issue. The information i gave regarding my purchase is sufficient. But if you must know i paid approximately 100.00 above MSRP for this card in February. MSRP for my card which is an AIB and not reference is around 800.00. The reference board on the other hand MSRP is 650.00. But that's besides the point

The bigger picture is seen in the replies by Glen, myself and a few others. People build their own rigs to avoid the issues and pitfalls that you yourself experienced earlier and to get the best way to better performance by tailoring the build to their exact need instead of leaving it up to your typical SI. Now i understand that some don't have the time or means to build their own PC's. Using the present GPU market situation, which you and i both know is NOT the norm has me still perplexed about what you are trying to prove or defend. Are you trying to say that because the temporary spike in GPU prices prevents people from building their own rigs? IF that's the argument Id rather wait or buy a used card that i can personally verify than go with an SI. I've fixed too many of my friends SI rigs ranging from sloppy hardware installation /cheap components / horrible design with proprietary bits thrown in to make it work  and uninstalled waaaay too much bloatware (installed by the SI/OEM) off their rigs for me to consider going down that road.

Bottom line. Not all SI's are bad im sure of that but for a truly trouble free experience and peace of mind with you knowing exactly what's in the pc case with all components properly tuned (another gripe of mine.. how you gonna install memory and not turn on xmp? 😡) right down to the thermal grease being used ill wait If i cant afford it than deal with an SI for my personal PC.

 

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Maxis

5 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Not sure why your pressing the issue. The information i gave regarding my purchase is sufficient. But if you must know i paid approximately 100.00 above MSRP for this card in February. MSRP for my card which is an AIB and not reference is around 800.00. The reference board on the other hand MSRP is 650.00. But that's besides the point

The bigger picture is seen in the replies by Glen, myself and a few others. People build their own rigs to avoid the issues and pitfalls that you yourself experienced earlier and to get the best way to better performance by tailoring the build to their exact need instead of leaving it up to your typical SI. Now i understand that some don't have the time or means to build their own PC's. Using the present GPU market situation, which you and i both know is NOT the norm has me still perplexed about what you are trying to prove or defend. Are you trying to say that because the temporary spike in GPU prices prevents people from building their own rigs? IF that's the argument Id rather wait or buy a used card that i can personally verify than go with an SI. I've fixed too many of my friends SI rigs ranging from sloppy hardware installation /cheap components / horrible design with proprietary bits thrown in to make it work  and uninstalled waaaay too much bloatware (installed by the SI/OEM) off their rigs for me to consider going down that road.

Bottom line. Not all SI's are bad im sure of that but for a truly trouble free experience and peace of mind with you knowing exactly what's in the pc case with all components properly tuned (another gripe of mine.. how you gonna install memory and not turn on xmp? 😡) right down to the thermal grease being used ill wait. If i cant afford it than deal with an SI for my personal PC.

 

Not going to argue with you anymore, tedious-blocked. 

Fine with me. This isn't the first time you've made misinformed tech related comments that you've been called out on.

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Maxis

2 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

Sure, the GPU is pricy (though not 2000$-pricy). My main point was that trying to get such a configuration as a prebuilt system for a reasonable price is almost impossible.

Just looked on Google, the GTX 3090 which many feel is the future proof  GPU to get now if you can find one is around $2500 +.  https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601357248

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

38 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just looked on Google, the GTX 3090 which many feel is the future proof  GPU to get now if you can find one is around $2500 +.  https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601357248

I was referring specifically to the price of @Maxis' 6800XT that you referred to earlier. And as I said before, my overall point wasn't about GPU pricing anyway, but about the relative value you get per $/€/... from a prebuilt system compared to a self-built one.

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Der Zeitgeist

1 hour ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

I was referring specifically to the price of @Maxis' 6800XT that you referred to earlier. And as I said before, my overall point wasn't about GPU pricing anyway, but about the relative value you get per $/€/... from a prebuilt system compared to a self-built one.

Quite a few videos on Youtube from PC experts have talked about the fact that Prebuilts have gained much popularity of late because it is the only place gamers can get a good GPU in a reasonably priced system. That is due to the fact that the companies that build the prebuilts . because they buy in such large quantities, can get GPUs at pretty close to MSRP. 

 

Edited July 9, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

Still does not address the main quality issues mentioned above and anyone can pull up a bunch of YouTube videos regarding said build quality and component selection issues. 

But I won't play that game

Also. How about next time you actually pick a youtuber with some established credibility and  have at least 500k  subscribers for a start ?