Freeware Super Menestrel HN-434

https://flightsim.to/file/17900/super-menestrel-hn-434-n-1-f-pyxe

Review from Byemoonmen on YouTube

 

 

 

Hi,

Thank you very much for this publicity, and this review of this small aircraft.

I started this project in 2010 on GMax and for FS2004. 

I was helped by JC Afflard the real builder of the F-PYKA aircraft who supported me during long months and sent me all the documentation he had to allow me to create this aircraft. The aircraft F-PYKA has been sold but it still flies in Normandy (France).

If you want more information about theses aircrafts, you can read theses pages: http://www.acaatlantique.fr/2017/10/nicollier-henri-concepteur.html

PS: By the way, on my French-VFR website (http://frenchvfr.free.fr), this version is still available.
It was then ported to FSX but I was not entirely satisfied with the result. I had to wait for the release of MSFS to decide to resume the project in Blender and to add all the details I dreamed to achieve this result.

The complete version of this aircraft (HN-433 and HN-434) is available since June 2021 on French-VFR with 3 real liveries and 3 fictional repaints.

This version was presented on AVSim in June but did not get much attention: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/601574-menestrel-hn-433-and-hn-434/?tab=comments#comment-4548268.

This F-PYXE version was requested by the son of the real builder H. Talagrand in May of this year. Some modifications and a specific livery has been created for him who was very touched by this attention.

Reluctant to upload my creations on flightsim.to, I decided to do it lately but downloading a version reduced to a single livery to see ...
Indeed this site is very read and the result in terms of download was immediate (more than 1000 in 2 days). That said, despite the fact that I specified that I did not want my files to be used (they are replica models of existing aircraft that I would not like to see distorted out of respect for the manufacturers who helped me a lot), a reader thought it was a good idea to make a fictitious red livery without even asking for my agreement. It is not very easy to create paitkit for PBR textures. I didn't ask the moderators to react ont this but it doesn't encourage me to use this site again despite its notoriety if it is to see this repeated.

With my friends Bernard and Pascal, we have created many models for FS9, FSX and Prepar3D, models that are still available on French-VFR (http://frenchvfr.free.fr).

Thank you for your visits on our modest site created in 2013.

Fantastic little aeroplane Lagaffe - been flying it all morning. Thank you.

I have fond memories of spending many hours in your C150 TI Bush in FSX - wonderful aircraft too!

Good to see you getting your teeth in to MSFS2020. Salut et Merci.

Pardon me,   but releasing a freeware aircraft to the world and then taking affront when people inevitably create their own liveries,    is a completely unrealistic world view.

I mean you no offense,   and it's not my intent to trample on a creator's rights.    But let's keep it real,  imo.

any aircraft there will be liveries being made by other users, and thats a good thing.

I'm also a bit confused why anyone would be mad at someone creating a livery for a plane they have released for the community - If anything that is a positive that you've done something right and someone is willing to create liveries for the addon. 

Also I couldn't find anywhere on the download listing or the readme where you have specifically said no one should make repaints for the plane.

Leave Lagaffe guys. In the old days of FSX people asked before modifying airframes - even if it was to do a repaint. Sure, those days are gone with the new MSFS2020 but Lagaffe is old school and has been around a very, very long time.

Fly one of his creations and you'll see just how good he is and understand his expectation of old school manners which we all used to behave by.

4 hours ago, Zangoose said:

I'm also a bit confused why anyone would be mad at someone creating a livery for a plane they have released for the community - If anything that is a positive that you've done something right and someone is willing to create liveries for the addon. 

 

To be honest I can see the reasoning. Spending years creating a historically accurate rendition only to have someone create low quality liveries or something that may be OK quality wise but is just historically inappropriate (like a Marvel theme or a Red Bull racing livery on a 30's aircraft) would annoy me as well. It is detracting from my work.

I am not sure how much control you actually have though.

 

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

8 hours ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

In the old days of FSX people asked before modifying airframes - even if it was to do a repaint. .

Nope, never heard of anybody asking the permission to do a repaint « in the old days ». This has nothing to do with being an old or new simmer ! You release an aircraft, repaints by 3rd parties go with the territory, always been like that and it is good ! 
 

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Nope, never heard of anybody asking the permission to do a repaint « in the old days ». This has nothing to do with being an old or new simmer ! You release an aircraft, repaints by 3rd parties go with the territory, always been like that and it is good ! 
 

My understanding Dominique is the repainter altered the model and re-uploaded it.

1 hour ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

My understanding Dominique is the repainter altered the model and re-uploaded it.

That would be different indeed. Repainting without permission is absolutely kosher, altering the 3D model is not.

2 hours ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

My understanding Dominique is the repainter altered the model and re-uploaded it.

those are very different things, altering without consent is a no no.

liveries is a yes, yes.

Hello,

I don't want to create controversy and I understand some of the responses but I think some of you are being a bit too quick to react.
On flightsim.to, when you publish an addon, at the very bottom of the presentation page, there is a Permissions section. The author can define 4 choices regarding the permissions he grants to users.
Mine were clearly defined as you can see but I think that among those who replied on this thread, few of you read this paragraph before answering; besides the lines of this paragraph are basically folded on themselves which I think is a mistake of the creators of this site.
As this addon was specifically a real aircraft whose livery had been created for the creator's son who had contacted me in May, I explicitly forbade modifications of my files out of respect for his father and for him.
Since they are PBR textures, paintkits are particular and more delicate to realize. There is one in progress but it is not finish.
On the other hand, the person who published the repaint very quickly apologized the next day: I accepted his apology (I did it in the comments), since he was in good faith (at least I think so). This repaint was simply a red layer over the entire surface of the textures with a little modification of the registration (PYXE => PYXF). Compared to the work I did on this plane, I thought it was a bit sloppy.
Creating an addon and distributing it as freeware does not prevent the author from defining conditions of use. I worked 40 years as a Linux specialist and I know very well this amalgam between "freeware and free". One should not confuse the commonly accepted uses and the rights of the creators. I share without any counterpart but I have the right to dispose of my files and I do not force anyone to download them.

Thanks for your point of views.

PS: For thoses who don't read theses permissions:

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by lagaffe