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Power off vs. Sleep mode?

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OK so I have a ton of addons in P3DV5.2. Seems now after an initial boot up of my computer it takes my sim about twenty minutes to start from the time the I hit start with administrator. After initial start I can shut down the sim and restart it all day long in about two minutes even if I leave my computer in sleep/hibernate mode and leave it for hours.  I've viewed a couple U-TUBE videos on this issue including lining your scenery library properly and taking things unneeded out of the sim object file. These seem to help a little with performance but the initial start up is still long. I've seen past post about this with no real conclusive fix, so I just start my computer and P3D, then shut it down and put  my system in sleep mode until ready to use each day then shut it off at the end of the day. 

My question; is there any harm to just never shutting your system down fully and leaving it in sleep/hibernate all the time? Do you need to shut your system off so it can clean the memory of things that might load during the day? Would this have an effect on performance over time? What do you do? Does anyone else have this long initial load issue? 

Vic green

I don't think there's any "harm" in it, but there are thousands of threads running--utilities, OS processes, AV etc...if any of them are at all ill-behaved w/r/t memory management, you can slowly "leak" memory (IOW have it allocated to some process and never returned to the system for other use) over time.  I shut down my system when I'm done and accept the start-up time after a boot as a cost of doing business.

20 min does seem a long time to load, however.  I think mine is closer to 5 min on initial load after boot, and I have a very complex setup with lots of AI acft and sceneries.  That said, I use P3D Addon Organizer to group my sceneries into regions, and only keep the region(s) I'm flying in active, so a lot of my scenery is disabled and not being processed during any given start-up.

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

13 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

My question; is there any harm to just never shutting your system down fully and leaving it in sleep/hibernate all the time? Do you need to shut your system off so it can clean the memory of things that might load during the day? Would this have an effect on performance over time? What do you do? Does anyone else have this long initial load issue? 

I normally leave my computer(s) in hibernate mode during the night, and in sleep mode while I'm doing other things. It's recommended to reboot once in a while (I do it once per week), unless there's a windows update or a software update that requires a reboot.

I prefer that option instead of shutting everything down and having to use the upper power button to start them every day. With the time, those buttons can malfunction, as it happened to me several times in the past.

 

Cheers, Ed

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I used to use sleep mode a lot, but with my new platform few years ago and migrated old OS, I always get BSOD after wake up.

I now left my computer on 247 and only restart when needed like every 1~2 weeks..

But I never feel P3D starts slower after restart, I have nore than 300 secenry (

As per today I have 1205 scenery entries and lot of addon airplanes, payware and freeware. It takes me about 30 Minutes to start the sim with all of it.

I often just put my computer in sleep mode to avoid this loading time and almost never have a problem now with 5.2 HF1. Before, the sim got slow, like 5 fps. Also if in outside view, the camera would remain static as the world rotates and then follow the plane for a few minutes. Seems this is gone too.

The computer is restarted after an installation requieres this, mostly Windows updates. 

Dan

OS=WIN11 Home, Sim=P3D5 5.3 (P3D4 and FSX for install reasons)
Addons=ORBX, ASCA, AS, TOGA and tons of sceneries, aircraft

MB=Gigabyte AORUS Z790 Elite AX, CPU=i13900K, Cooling=Be quiet! Pure Loop II FX
GPU=KFA2 RTX3090 24 GB, RAM=64 GB DDR5-5600, HOTAS=Logitech G Saitek X52 Pro

Visit my website for fixes and addons: https://sites.google.com/view/dans-p3d-mods

FWIW, I just timed P3D v5.1 starting after a cold boot, with central/southern EU and Africa sceneries active.  4:05 to get from start to the scenario screen.  So 20-30 min seems aberrant to me.

P3D is on a 2TB NVME SSD (a Samsung 970 EVO Plus).

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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59 minutes ago, w6kd said:

FWIW, I just timed P3D v5.1 starting after a cold boot, with central/southern EU and Africa sceneries active.  4:05 to get from start to the scenario screen.  So 20-30 min seems aberrant to me.

P3D is on a 2TB NVME SSD (a Samsung 970 EVO Plus).

 

Next to yours my system looks like Woody Allen next to Arnold Schwarzenegger. That may in part explain the difference in start time.

Vic green

32 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

Next to yours my system looks like Woody Allen next to Arnold Schwarzenegger. That may in part explain the difference in start time.

Maybe, but still, a five-fold difference?  I would think maybe 50-100% faster might be explainable considering system differences, but 500% still seems worthy of looking into it a bit further.

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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