5 hours ago, Moria15 said:

Totally with this.. I was actually going to ask..  which aircraft are no longer working after SU7 on DX11  as all my add-ons seem to be fine.

Graham

For me:

Captain Sim B777, all MFDs and FMC turned off

Salty B748, ILS and Loc modes not captured anymore by the Auto Pilot

1 hour ago, Moria15 said:

So again I ask.. what planes are not working as a direct result of SU7 on DX11  which is what this thread is about?

Graham

Well, as just one example, the F-14 by DC Designs worked perfectly before the "update".  Now it has no MFD and no HUD...a bit difficult to fly without those.

Other  examples would be any plane you want to fly with TrackIR.

And those are all third party planes. You can't expect them to work right away after any patch.

6 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

And those are all third party planes. You can't expect them to work right away after any patch.

If these are your expectations then you're lucky because they will always be met by MS/A.

It is simply not the case that most planes in other sims are broken after a "patch."

No fully functioning autopilot

No TrackIR

No access to the toolbar in VR

No stability or reliability that you will be able to start or complete a flight.

Forced updates that disable paid addons

But..yeah...Singapore looks beautiful.

 

1 hour ago, TASCHMANN said:

If these are your expectations then you're lucky because they will always be met by MS/A.

It is simply not the case that most planes in other sims are broken after a "patch."

Your expectations out of alignment with reality hence you'll never be lucky because MSFS is not the other, decades old, sims--it's a grand total of 1.25y since release.

The answer for you then is clear:  head on back to the other sims where you can count on stability if not downright stagnation.  Seriously, if you want tag along in MSFS' open beta go for it but stop the silly whining it is what it is, it's exceedingly new versus your comparators which is where you derive your expectations from.

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Your expectations out of alignment with reality hence you'll never be lucky because MSFS is not the other, decades old, sims--it's a grand total of 1.25y since release.

The answer for you then is clear:  head on back to the other sims where you can count on stability if not downright stagnation.  Seriously, if you want tag along in MSFS' open beta go for it but stop the silly whining it is what it is, it's exceedingly new versus your comparators which is where you derive your expectations from.

I guess if you believe nothing that is older can possibly be better or that stability equals stagnation then we really do have a different perspective.

When everything new and shiny seems better because  it is new and shiny, and regardless of solidity and reliability it says something about the depth of one's analysis.  Quality can transcend superficial appearances and the surface of things can obscure what lies beneath.

20 hours ago, TASCHMANN said:

I wonder how many will be willing to stay on this merry-go-round for five years.  Can you imagine the number of hours of your life that will be spent in the usual "search, tweak and wait" game.  There is simply no payoff for the effort when you plan to spend an hour or two flying and then encounter the "issue of the day" and spend 3 or 4 hours searching for a solution only to find there isn't one.

I guess this depends if another simulator can match MSFS for an individual, that also has fewer errors to research and fix. I will buy XPlane 12 on day one and see how it matches what I want to achieve.  The first looks we have seen seem to suggest a modern sim with one drawback - no worldwide satellite imagery.  I love the ground scenery in MSFS, but if XPlane 12 is otherwise a good match for MSFS and has fewer issues with updates, maybe I may spend more time with it.

However, I don't feel I have to support one sim or another, I like what each one brings to the table.  Currently I am loving MSFS and the mods available for it.

37 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

However, I don't feel I have to support one sim or another, I like what each one brings to the table

I agree with you completely, each sim means something different to each of us.  My biggest disappointment at the moment is that MSFS isn't developing what they're best at which, for me, is exploration and some competitive missions  and exercises.  They seem to me to be dissipating energy in far too many directions at once...with predictable results.

To return to your point: each sim brings something different to the table, for me it's:

xp-11 for aerobatics and aerodynamic analysis

P3D for IFR training (old school--steam)

DCS for World War II reenactments and excellent flight models, and one day I hope

MSFS for geography and VFR

 

2 hours ago, TASCHMANN said:

I guess if you believe nothing that is older can possibly be better or that stability equals stagnation then we really do have a different perspective.

When everything new and shiny seems better because  it is new and shiny, and regardless of solidity and reliability it says something about the depth of one's analysis.  Quality can transcend superficial appearances and the surface of things can obscure what lies beneath.

I've used just about every sim since FS2002 and none have given me anywhere NEAR the amount of entertainment/enjoyment/unique experiences as MSFS. Does it have it's issues? It sure does. Do I wish Microsoft didn't force deadlines on Asobo? Of course. But those are small prices to pay for what we have access to. I find it hilarious that some are expecting perfection out of a sim that's been around for barely over a year. We finally have a team that's actually committed and loves this genre just as much as we do and is very open with the community. I really don't know what else you could want. 

 

BTW: besides SU5, this has been by far the most "stable" sim I've ever used. 

2 hours ago, TASCHMANN said:

I guess if you believe nothing that is older can possibly be better

Gee what a weird twist of what I said.  What I said was P3D and the 'other sims' reflect decades of maturity so comparing these to wet behind the ears MSFS is an exercise in futility.   At well over $1500 paid to use P3D it's pace of development was pathetic by comparison to MSFS, but alas it was the best show in town until August 2020.  I spend far more time now in MSFS than I ever did in P3D and was an avid P3D user.  Know you can expect plenty of hiccoughs along the MSFS way and if you can't tolerate that without freaking out that things break here and there you can always go back and immerse yourself in one of other sims.  A major reason why P3D is as stable as it is almost nothing meaningful changes except on multi-year timeframes.  And besides ample content required regular updates to continue to work in P3D as well.

 

17 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, but I thought they were automatic?  Part of the fly-by -wire system?

okay maybe so

14 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

That’s not a bug. That’s an actual feature on the F-18.

okay thanks....good to know

Edited November 23, 20214 yr by Isaiah53six