Good investment this bit of kit was and the Just Flight Warrior II would be lacking without it to my mind but does anyone know how to enter an approach procedure without a transition? Sometimes I just want the final approach in there especially if the only transitions are in silly places relative to my path to the airport from my flight plan.

An example: I just did a flight along the Rhine from Strasbourg - Cologne/Bonn. My flight plan had me coming at the airport from the south west in line with RWY32R. Looking on navigraph I could just fly straight in on the ILS RWY 32R or I could fly the same approach with either the COL or NVO transition. Those two transitions took me well out of the way of my direct approach and I wanted nothing to do with them but when I go to input my approach on the procedures page I can only select the ILS RWY 32R approach with either of those transitions. There is never an option for just the final approach. It's been an annoyance of mine since I bought this GPS. I have to manually enter the fix that is the start of the final approach to have the plane fly to it before I switch from GPS to NAV for the ILS. I know, a small issue but there must be a way to just select the approach without those pesky transitions. Does the real one allow you to select the approach without the transitions? This is also more of a frustrasion when I need to use an RNAV approach. Sometimes I just want the the approach without a transition.

1 hour ago, Jazz said:

Good investment this bit of kit was and the Just Flight Warrior II would be lacking without it to my mind but does anyone know how to enter an approach procedure without a transition?

You should usually be able to select Vectors (or Vectors to Final) as the approach transition. Is that choice not available?

Al

 

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You should usually be able to select Vectors (or Vectors to Final) as the approach transition. Is that choice not available?

Al

No, when I pressed the transition button to select the transition I only had those two transitions that I didn't want. I certainly didn't see it anyhow.

I'm doing another flight as I type and I just looked in the approaches for my current destination and the same thing again. I select the approach to Biggin Hill ILS 21 and it is forcing me to choose a transition AKLIN, GODLU or JACKO. In this instance Aklin will be fine for me but if I didn't want a transition and wanted it to just be the final I can't do it.

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by Jazz

If I load the approach into the route with the transition I don't want and then select the approach from the "flight plan" page then it takes me to a page where I can remove the approach or select another one or activate the approach. There is a button in there that is greyed out that says "activate vectors to final" but as I said that is greyed out probably because it's not active yet. There must be a way to load the selcted approach without that transition, surely.

You are surely correct; there is a way on the real GTN750. Have a look at the Garmin manual

https://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/190-01007-03_0B_web.pdf

and search for vectors-to-final. As suggested above, there should be such a selection associated with each approach that then displays an extension of the final approach course. Once vectors to final is activated on the procedures menu, you can fly toward that course, and the AP should capture that course. Apparently this is not yet implemented in the MSFS add-on. If you want to see how it works, I believe it does so in the latest G1000 Nxi.

Cheers.

4 minutes ago, Jazz said:

No, when I pressed the transition button to select the transition I only had those two transitions that I didn't want. I certainly didn't see it anyhow.

I'm doing another flight as I type and I just looked in the approaches for my current destination and the same thing again. I select the approach to Biggin Hill ILS 21 and it is forcing me to choose a transition AKLIN, GODLU or JACKO. In this instance Aklin will be fine for me but if I didn't want a transition and wanted it to just be the final I can't do it.

I'm not sure what are you trouble. If you ILS approach doesn't now require GPS you can simply set GPS to VLOC, dial ILS frequency intercept localizer ad activate APR on your autopilot.

In case of RNAV approach: even if  "whatever" transition is selected you can always manually select DIRECT TO final approach fix and activate APR on your autopilot again.

I use similar techniques when I shoot approaches IRL

11 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I'm not sure what are you trouble. If you ILS approach doesn't now require GPS you can simply set GPS to VLOC, dial ILS frequency intercept localizer ad activate APR on your autopilot.

In case of RNAV approach: even if  "whatever" transition is selected you can always manually select DIRECT TO final approach fix and activate APR on your autopilot again.

I use similar techniques when I shoot approaches IRL

This is the very procedure I use right now with the GTN750 - just Direct To the fix I want that is on the Localizer path (or the IAF on the RNAV I want) then I activate it.

18 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I'm not sure what are you trouble. If you ILS approach doesn't now require GPS you can simply set GPS to VLOC, dial ILS frequency intercept localizer ad activate APR on your autopilot.

In case of RNAV approach: even if  "whatever" transition is selected you can always manually select DIRECT TO final approach fix and activate APR on your autopilot again.

I use similar techniques when I shoot approaches IRL

Indeed, I'm aware of this and that sometimes is actually what I do but most often I want the gps to fly me to the fix on the start of the final approach as I finish eating my pie. Consequently, I must manually enter the fix into the route myself. It's not a problem but I'm simply wondering why I can't just select the appoach from the procedures without the transition. It seems like the obvioulsly logical and simplest way I should be able to do it. Perhaps I can and I just don't know how which is why I'm asking.

8 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Indeed, I'm aware of this and that sometimes is actually what I do but most often I want the gps to fly me to the fix on the start of the final approach as I finish eating my pie. Consequently, I must manually enter the fix into the route myself. It's not a problem but I'm simply wondering why I can't just select the appoach from the procedures without the transition. It seems like the obvioulsly logical and simplest way I should be able to do it. Perhaps I can and I just don't know how which is why I'm asking.

Yes you can select any waypoint after loading approach from flight plan page

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Yes you can select any waypoint after loading approach from flight plan page

I think that perhaps we are not entirely on the same page. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well 🤭

I only use ILS approach if the weather forces me to do so when I fly my Warrior, then I open the charts for the airports approach and dial in ILS frequency and use Direct-To the final approach fix.

6 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I only use ILS approach if the weather forces me to do so when I fly my Warrior, then I open the charts for the airports approach and dial in ILS frequency and use Direct-To the final approach fix.

S here is what I do IRL or sim when shoot ILS. Any GPS GTN430/530/750 IDF440 and so on. VLOC Nearest-> Your Airport-> Direct then Approach -> Load & activate-> Vectors. Not all ILS approaches required GPS, only some do when it comes to identifying fixes and there are no markers

22 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I only use ILS approach if the weather forces me to do so when I fly my Warrior, then I open the charts for the airports approach and dial in ILS frequency and use Direct-To the final approach fix.

Ahh, yes but you need to take into account that some of us are not always flying our planes and are, in fact, picking our noses and watching snooker instead 😆

Oother than the g1000 NXi or CJ4's FMS, the actual navigational power of the other units is simply not great right now.  You should be able to select any transition, IF, or IAF for an approach.  But typically, as a workaround, you have to choose from a transition - load that, and then Direct To the fix you actually want to go to.  This is annoying because it requires extra steps.  Sometimes when you direct to the new fix it will draw a weird flight path as well.  

Someday WT will update the other avionics with a new flight plan manager - and presumably it will be in the base sim - at which point the GTN will use it too.

In summary, if you want reliable rnav(gps) navigation, select an aircraft with the G1000 and grab the NXi free mod in the marketplace.  

 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by ryanbatcund