July 19, 20223 yr Having not installed a new NV driver since Sept '21 I decided to try a couple of the latest game-ready drivers. I uninstalled the current old driver first, then used the clean install option in the installer. Got absolutely no improvements in anything visually or otherwise except was getting some slight 'shudders' for lack of a better word. Kind of brief shimmy/shudder randomly but regularly--yuck!! This was with the latest driver one, then one from a few versions back, same same on both. Reinstalled the one from last year (472.12) and all was back to normal. One has to wonder how many folks with odd issues like this stem from the driver. No, I did not do the "deep clean" as I haven't relied on that routine for many years now with no untoward effects. Plus, I have a hard time accepting NV doesn't know how to uninstall/install drivers here in mid 2022. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr I've suffered many instances over the years where I updated myself completely out of operation. Processor: Intel i9-13900KF 5.8GHz 24-Core, Graphics Processor: Nvidia RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6, System Memory: 64GB High Performance DDR5 SDRAM 5600MHz, Operating System: Windows 11 Home Edition, Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX, LGA 1700, CPU Cooling: Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling, RGB and LCD Display, Chassis Fans: Corsair Low Decibel, Addressable RGB Fans, Power Supply: Corsair HX1000i Fully Modular Ultra-Low-Noise Platinum ATX 1000 Watt, Primary Storage: 2TB Samsung Gen 4 NVMe SSD, Secondary Storage: 1TB Samsung Gen 4 NVMe SSD, VR Headset: Meta Quest 2, Primary Display: SONY 4K Bravia 75-inch, 2nd Display: SONY 4K Bravia 43-inch, 3rd Display: Vizio 28-inch, 1920x1080. Controller: Xbox Controller attached to PC via USB.
July 19, 20223 yr I always run DDU and then NVCleanstall to sanitize the driver for all the junk, every bit of telemetry and whatnot. Always run the latest driver with zero issues. [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
July 19, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Sethos said: I always run DDU and then NVCleanstall to sanitize the driver for all the junk, every bit of telemetry and whatnot. Always run the latest driver with zero issues. Well, the old one went right back in with no issues, FWIW. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Sethos said: I always run DDU and then NVCleanstall to sanitize the driver for all the junk, every bit of telemetry and whatnot. Always run the latest driver with zero issues. Honest question: what junk? Do drivers cache data or leave residual data somewhere?
July 19, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, enright said: Honest question: what junk? Do drivers cache data or leave residual data somewhere? Mostly just all the junk that comes in the driver itself. You'd be surprised how much is included in these drivers outside of the basic driver itself, that is installed on your machine. Virtual audio drivers, telemetry that sends data back to Nvidia, services for all sorts of stuff, even drivers for old rare laptops, all the Geforce Experience stuff which requires a large subset of stuff, like streaming services, virtual host controllers, backend components, process monitors etc. NVCleanstall has 21 items outside of just the driver itself that are left unticked during installation which are not needed. [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
July 19, 20223 yr I'm using the latest driver (516.59) as I always do, and I don't experience anything strange. SU10 and DX12 - for me - brought the sim to a level of smoothness that I didn't even think possible. I never saw anything happen after a driver update, honestly. I use DDU only when downgrading the driver for test purpose, otherwise I simply overwrite it with the latest version installer. As for the junk, I just don't install GeForce Experience and I have only these two background processes using virtually no resources: I tried NVCleanInstall too of course, and the same processes were there, same performance obtained, so I just ditched that as well🙂 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
July 19, 20223 yr You want problems, install the latest drivers, and then try and fix what you just broke.
July 19, 20223 yr Author 25 minutes ago, Sethos said: Mostly just all the junk that comes in the driver itself. You'd be surprised how much is included in these drivers outside of the basic driver itself, that is installed on your machine. Virtual audio drivers, telemetry that sends data back to Nvidia, services for all sorts of stuff, even drivers for old rare laptops, all the Geforce Experience stuff which requires a large subset of stuff, like streaming services, virtual host controllers, backend components, process monitors etc. NVCleanstall has 21 items outside of just the driver itself that are left unticked during installation which are not needed. Umm, and when you install the new one, new "junk" isn't added? Quite obviously, it is, else it wouldn't come out with the next install. Edited July 19, 20223 yr by Noel Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr Author 26 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said: I'm using the latest driver (516.59) as I always do, and I don't experience anything strange. SU10 and DX12 - for me - brought the sim to a level of smoothness that I didn't even think possible. I never saw anything happen after a driver update, honestly. I use DDU only when downgrading the driver for test purpose, otherwise I simply overwrite it with the latest version installer. As for the junk, I just don't install GeForce Experience and I have only these two background processes using virtually no resources: I tried NVCleanInstall too of course, and the same processes were there, same performance obtained, so I just ditched that as well🙂 I already have perfect smoothness, again, after reinstalling the old driver with a new copy of GF Experience which I use for shadowplay only. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Noel said: Umm, and when you install the new one, new "junk" isn't added? Quite obviously, it is, else it wouldn't come out with the next install. What? No that's literally what you remove with NVCleanstall? [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
July 19, 20223 yr Author 6 minutes ago, Sethos said: What? No that's literally what you remove with NVCleanstall? Oh I see, you run this AFTER you install the new driver, yes? I do wish to keep Shadowplay alive--does this tool give the opportunity to do this? Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Noel said: Oh I see, you run this AFTER you install the new driver, yes? I do wish to keep Shadowplay alive--does this tool give the opportunity to do this? No, you run NVCleanstall and clean the driver installer itself if you've downloaded it manually or let NVCleanstall download it for you. Then you go through a process of ticking / unticking all the stuff you need. Then you can install it directly or create a new 'cleaned up' installer package. [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
July 19, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, Sethos said: No, you run NVCleanstall and clean the driver installer itself if you've downloaded it manually or let NVCleanstall download it for you. Then you go through a process of ticking / unticking all the stuff you need. Then you can install it directly or create a new 'cleaned up' installer package. I see. Does NV produce this product? Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 19, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Noel said: I see. Does NV produce this product? It's a piece of third party software from TechPowerUp https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/ [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
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