August 20, 20223 yr Perhaps there should be an loud audible alarm (that must be silenced) incorporated into the FMS that sounds when a certain way point has been passed?
August 20, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, cmpbellsjc said: Unfortunately truckers have fallen asleep at the wheel as well. Not so much anymore. My son-in-law is a truck driver and he has GPS transmitter on the top of his cab. It is monitored and they make sure he stops and sleeps. He's got a bed behind the seats where he can stop and nap or sleep anytime. Beside, when a truck driver doe fall asleep and causes an accident he doesn't take 200+ passengers along with him. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
August 21, 20223 yr On 8/20/2022 at 3:49 PM, overspeed3 said: Perhaps there should be an loud audible alarm (that must be silenced) incorporated into the FMS that sounds when a certain way point has been passed? The 777 is an example of aircraft that have an option for airlines to choose to have an aural alert and "pilot response" displayed on the EICAS when there is no input for a certain time period. Has to be silenced by flipping a random button.
August 23, 20223 yr On 8/20/2022 at 10:34 AM, Christopher Low said: Sounds like the airline industry needs a major overhaul where "on duty hours" are concerned. If that means increased fares for paying passengers, then tough. Far too many people expect cheap flights these days. It's about time that they were given a reality check. I've said it before and ill say again. 12 years in ops and 9 years as cabin crew. Both long haul and short haul. and many years of that in crewing again in both long and short haul. Fatigue is abused. Plain and simple. Ive lost count how many frms courses ive done in the last 10 years, and I can quote you easa ftls rules in my sleep. Ive been on flights when I was cabin crew and sat in the galley with colleagues looking at rosters listening to them decide weeks in advance which flights they are calling in fatigued for in order to go to a stag do. I've seen over 10 incidents of heavy landings, tail scrapes, and near stalls, again all blamed on fatigue when it's been on day one after a week off. I've sat on the Heathrow express, gatwick express, Stansted express, Luton Airport Thames link trains and heard crew talking about which flights they will ask for hotels after the duty due fatigue because they cant get home on public transport. Again its abusing fatigue. Just recently we have done a hr issue where someone called in fatigued then got on a standby ticket to barbados. I've lost count of how many HR cases I had at easy where crew called in fatigued then posted pictures on Facebook of their night out. 20 times at least. Every year when I got to the frms Post holder CAA course at Gatwick I explain this to the same person doing the course whose never worked a shift in crewing in their life, I get the standard confused face. Fatigue Is abused pure and simple, and unfortunately some airlines are rubbish and employee rubbish pilot's, like Ethiopian in this case. Edited August 23, 20223 yr by fluffyflops
August 23, 20223 yr On 8/19/2022 at 11:56 PM, Chock said: Unfortunately, if you are not on a long haul with several pilots, you can't get someone to take over and you can't pull over and have a nap as you can when driving a truck or a bus however if you are well rested, not been up the night before looking at your insta, facebook and tiktok. You dont do some silly commute to work which is longer than the duty your about to do, and you dont burn the candle at both ends, guess what? your chances of bending the a/c are going to be alot lower. If I was given a pound for every time Ive seen a crew member walking around the base looking like death, and i asked them "everything alright mate" and i get back "ahh the commute from Malaga was awful, I only just got on the flight" or "been up since 3am on the way from Nice" From my days of flying, every time I was sick or fatigued (and i called in a few times), I can honestly say most times it was because I was burning the candles at both ends, commuting at silly times of the day, and not getting good sleep. Ive said for the last 10 years on here,anyone who wants to come and sit in a busy OCC for a few hours, listening to the silliness we listen to, i gurantee by the end of the day youll be a changed person. We often get maternity and people on long term sick come and work with us for varying periods of time, In the last 10 plus years Ive never met any of them that hasnt said within a week "my god I never knew thr crew are such hard work" Edited August 23, 20223 yr by fluffyflops
August 24, 20223 yr Author Once I was traveling on a highway when he put a banner on an overpass that read: " Remember that if you fall asleep at the wheel, you risk waking up... Heaven! ". Thinking about this message, I think they should put this message to pilots in the apt: " Remember that if you fall asleep in the sky, you risk waking up... underground! ".
August 24, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, RobPol471 said: Once I was traveling on a highway when he put a banner on an overpass that read: " Remember that if you fall asleep at the wheel, you risk waking up... Heaven! ". Thinking about this message, I think they should put this message to pilots in the apt: " Remember that if you fall asleep in the sky, you risk waking up... underground! ". or... "remember you puswaded us to give you a job, and then you singed a contract saying you lived a reasonable distance from your base" as I say to crew every day... Faitigue isnt when youve missed the last train/coach home, or your too tight to pay for the Ibis on Bath Road, when youve decided to live 850 miles away from your place of work. in my personal and professional opinion, 75 to 80 percent of the "fatigue" I see is due to crew abusing the system.
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