September 4, 20223 yr It happened at the Orlando airport when a Delta 757 on take off it risked colliding with a Cessna. The Cessna pilot posted this video on Twitter with the audio of the conversations with the Orlando apt Tower. https://twitter.com/malik_dambah/status/1560661873023889410 Article on ABC7news: https://abc7news.com/faa-investigating-after-2-planes-have-close-call/12190509/
September 4, 20223 yr Looks like the Cessna pilot was pretty switched on and did some very prudent evasive manuevering, I like the way he told the other person to shut up and concentrated on flying the aeroplane too, that's some outstanding airmanship. Even if they'd have got close to one another and not actually collided, the wake turbulence from a 757 is very strong (even though they are not actually heavies, 757s usually get treated as such for spacing for this very reason). There is a very good chance a light aeroplane would be flipped over if flying through the take off thrust wake turbulence from a 757, so I'm guessing the controller who gave that Cessna that initial heading will be having a fairly uncomfortable conversation with a few people and possibly looking for a new job. The Cessna pilot on the other hand, should be up for some kind of safety award. This reminds me of an incident years ago in the Manchester Airport control area, which I recall witnessing via hearing the ATC that I was monitoring. A little private aeroplane had taken off from Barton (which is near EGCC) and was heading toward the airspace over Manchester's final approach path to (at the time runway 24, which is now 23R). The pilot of the light aeroplane sounded quite elderly to me. The female controller at Manchester gave him a heading to turn and a direction of turn (left), but he read back the heading and said 'right' and commenced turning the wrong way, the controller warned him he was turning the wrong way, but unbelievably, he read it back and again said 'right'. It was at this point I started paying close attention to the radio, thinking 'what is this guy on?!'. Unbelievably, after the controller gave him an instruction to turn and expedite it, the guy read back the direction of turn incorrectly for a third time! At this point I was thinking the guy was clearly not a competent pilot. Wisely, the controller then switched to talking to the crew of a BA 757 on long final to 24, warning them about this guy. The BA crew were calm however and reported that they they had him in sight. The controller then spoke to the old guy in the light aeroplane, remonstrating him quite sternly, he somewhat foolishly answered to her that 'there was no danger at any time', to which she understandably lost her cool with him a bit and replied 'Oh, REALLY!?'. She then asked the BA 757 crew how close he got to them, to which the 757 pilot wittily replied 'Well, if he was any closer, we could have added him to the passenger manifest'. Edited September 4, 20223 yr by Chock Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
September 4, 20223 yr Yikes. Good pilotage of the C172. I appreciate the way our local ATC handles jet traffic (737/A320). They send us GA guys out from CTR or vectors us a safe distance from SID/approach track. Just to minimize the risk of above happening. EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress MSFS24 | X-Plane 12
September 4, 20223 yr Wow good heads up on the C172 pilot to take evasive maneuvers. That could have been very very bad to say the least. Dave Current System (Running at 4k): ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, Ryzen 7800X3D, RTX 5090, 55" Samsung Q80T, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, EVGA CLC 280mm AIO Cooler, Brunner CLS-E NG Yoke, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & Stick, Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant & Add-on, VirtualFly Ruddo+, TQ6+ and Yoko+, GoFlight MCP-PRO and EFIS, Skalarki FCU and MCDU
September 4, 20223 yr I’ve operated out of KMCO regularly for years, it would be normal in that situation for the traffic departing 35L to get a “line up and wait 35L, traffic departing the west complex” clearance. At which point we’d sit and wait while the jet off the west complex took off and cut across the crosswind of 35L heading 090. There’s 2 controllers working tower usually, one for 36L/R and one for 35L/R I’m only speculating but it looks like a lack of coordination has taken place or the Cessna was anticipated to turn right onto 090 much sooner than the end of the runway due to its relatively short take off roll, and/or the delta was delayed in starting its take off roll for whatever reason. In the RT the Cessna is warned of wake turbulence from traffic departing the parallel, 737 northbound, that is presumably the conflicting traffic off 35L as there’s no one departing 36R on the flight tracker clip, so it sounds like the original intention was for the Cessna to pass behind the delta 787 captain. Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1.
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