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What might cause GS not to capture?

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Two of my PMDG 738 for MSFS flights have left me puzzled as to why the glide slope was not captured.  Correct frequencies dialed in evidenced by the markers indicate GS and LOC. LOC captured but the plane just continues is slow descent right thru the glide slope and I can't tell why.  Speed seems good, it just for some reason doesn't capture.  It could be I've forgotten to enable something other than simply hitting the Approach button after the loc/gs indicators appear and I'm always careful to hit Approach when the GS indicator is well above the plane so that it is intercepted after the localizer is.  What should I look at?  But...most of my flights have captured the GS just fine.

Thanks

Edited by Noel

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

What's the pitch mode annunciator at the top of the PFD showing when it happens?  Are you getting the white "G/S" armed indication prior to intercept?  Does it ever go into G/S mode (green "G/S")?

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

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6 minutes ago, Bob Scott said:

What's the pitch mode annunciator at the top of the PFD showing when it happens?  Are you getting the white "G/S" armed indication prior to intercept?  Does it ever go into G/S mode (green "G/S")?

Yep--on these two failed captures G/S is white and stays that way as it doesn't capture.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

If you've got a green LOC and a white G/S and it flies through the glideslope intercept without capture, that sounds like a bug rather than a feature.

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Sounds like you are trying to intercept from above, not a good idea unless you are manually flying the approach. I don't think the AP logic will even do that. Always intercept the GP from below.

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12 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

Sounds like you are trying to intercept from above, not a good idea unless you are manually flying the approach. I don't think the AP logic will even do that. Always intercept the GP from below.

No Dave--I stated I'm always careful to hit Approach when the GS indicator is well above the plane and have already captured the localizer this I'm aware of.

 

 

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

At which airport, rwy please? Or this is at any airport.

Please post 2 pictures that include also the MCP, one prior G/S intercept and the second one after you passed through it.

 

 

747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning. 

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This was at KBUF ILS23.  As mentioned this was one of two flights (diff airports) that resulted in no GS capture.  I've done maybe 8 or so flights now in the 738 and the others were fine.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

It will help a lot with pictures when this is happening.

747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning. 

Something is not right.
I just did a test flight LNAV/VNAV transition to ILS23 in BUF and this is what I get.
As I mentioned some pics will help somehow.
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747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning. 

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Yes, something is not right.  I'm duplicating the flight so in a little while will see how it goes and if it fails again will take a screenshot.  As said, 8 of 10 have been fine in this plane.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

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LRBS, thanks.  While here next time up can you see if AI Radio Comm (ATC) is working in the PMDG 738?  Not working here, is in the AS CRJ and the B78X HD.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

26 minutes ago, Noel said:

Yes, something is not right.  I'm duplicating the flight so in a little while will see how it goes and if it fails again will take a screenshot.  As said, 8 of 10 have been fine in this plane.

I think that it might be an intermittent issue with PMDG?
Some people are complaining about the same related issues and each time I tried to duplicate I wasn't able to see those issues, some did something wrong, and some didn't. 
Very strange, it could be related to their code. At the same time, apparently, Asobo is optimizing their code, I don't remember exactly which it is, but sometimes I can notice weird things on their planes compared to other developers.
I hope you sort it out.
Oh, I don't use the ATC.

747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning. 

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Just landed at KBUF 23 and this time no problem capturing the GS, so for me, it's intermittent.  I've done 100's of landings in this plane in P3D so I'm pretty familiar with it.  I always aim for +5 degrees of pitch during final approach and adjust flaps to keep it there while keep.  Since I use ATC I often use FLC during descent rather than VNAV, but that shouldn't have any impact on this near as I can guess.

If it happens again I will get a screenshot and forward it on to PMDG.

Cheers

Edited by Noel

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

In hundreds of ILS approaches I've done in the 737-600 or 737-800 I've never had it NOT capture, UNLESS I was above the glideslope before arming approach.

Is it possible you had the ILS tuned for the reciprocal ILS 05?

I'm curious at what altitude, distance, and speed you were when the GS centered but didn't capture.

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