Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Zimmerbz

DX12

Recommended Posts

12 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

It won't help much if you're GPU limited, not sure if that's your case. It depends on your hardware; if your CPU outperforms your GPU (e.g. you have an older GPU), the improvements in CPU usage with DX12 might not help much. 

 

These are my specs:

Intel Core i7 12700K (5.0GHz Max Boost Clock) 12-Core CPU   32GB G.Skill Performance DDR4 SDRAM 3600MHz       Graphics Processor:12GB Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti, GDDR6x System   2TB Western Digital, NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive


Intel Core i7 12700K (5.0GHz Max Boost Clock) 12-Core CPU   32GB G.Skill Performance DDR4 SDRAM 3600MHz       Graphics Processor:12GB Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti, GDDR6x System   2TB Western Digital, NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I have to do this every time I start the sim, otherwise I'll get SDR. 

This is one of the things they didn't fix in the for the release. It was discussed at great lengths in the official beta forums. 

I recall that this may have been an issue in W10 but not in W11 which deals with HDR a lot better.  I can certainly remember having problems in W10.


Ryzen 5800X3D, Nvidia 3080 - 32 Gig DDR4 RAM, 1TB & 2 TB NVME drives - Windows 11 64 bit MSFS 2020 Premium Deluxe Edition Resolution 2560 x 1440 (32 inch curved monitor)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Zimmerbz said:

These are my specs:

Intel Core i7 12700K (5.0GHz Max Boost Clock) 12-Core CPU   32GB G.Skill Performance DDR4 SDRAM 3600MHz       Graphics Processor:12GB Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti, GDDR6x System   2TB Western Digital, NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive

I would definitely give it a go. With DX12 all those 20 threads will be utilized. This is one of the advantages of DX12 as I see it - CPU utilization is way better than with DX11. Might as well get your money's worth for that Alder Lake; it's an excellent CPU. And I'd consider running Win11 as well (if you're not) due to the improved thread director with Alder Lake. 

  • Like 1

i9-12900KF @ 5.1GHz | MSI Trio Gaming X RTX4090 | MSI MPG Z690 Carbon EK X | G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 | WD Black SN850 2TB SSD | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB SSD | 2x Samsung 960 EVO 500GB SSDs | Hela 850R Platinum PCIe 5.0 w/ 12VHPWR cable | Corsair RM750X | LG 77" OLED 3840x2160 | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind pedals | Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack X Airbus Edition

“Intensify the forward batteries. I don’t want anything to get through”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, GSalden said:

I really like the DX12 ( icw Gefirce Experience filters )

I think your cockpit setup is incredible, Gerard. Truly a labor of love.

Just one question. Does you wife, girlfriend, etc. think you are crazy? 🤣


 i9-10850K, ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI), 32GB G.SKILL DDR4-3603 / PC4-28800, EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti BLACK EDITION 11GB running 3440x1440 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I use a RTX 2070 Super.

I did several experiments between DLSS (quality, performance, ultra performance, and with AMD sharp values of 0 and 200), and almost always the same FPS, regardless of whether you use quality, performance, ultra-performance, sharp 0 or sharp 200. It just varies 1 or 2 fps.
Then I retested TAA with 70% render scaling, and the FPS continued the same, but not so smooth, i think.
This, with the DX11.

Honestly, I don't know what to use.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

Does you wife, girlfriend, etc. think you are crazy?

he doesn't have one. one expensive hobby is enough. priorities.

  • Like 1

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, HP Reverb G2 VR headset @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Aeronautical Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, turbomax said:

he doesn't have one. one expensive hobby is enough. priorities.

That's a good choice.

I have a sticker on my boat that is a constant reminder to me. It says, "If it flies, fornicates*, or floats, it's cheaper to rent it."   * - you know what it really says

  • Like 4

 i9-10850K, ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI), 32GB G.SKILL DDR4-3603 / PC4-28800, EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti BLACK EDITION 11GB running 3440x1440 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, MDFlier said:

I think your cockpit setup is incredible, Gerard. Truly a labor of love.

Just one question. Does you wife, girlfriend, etc. think you are crazy? 🤣

Yep, sometimes my wife thinks that I am crazy. 
Then I say : what would you like better ? Me staying at home in the cockpit or me going out with friends every Friday / Saturday …🥳

  • Like 4
  • Upvote 1

13900 8 cores @ 5.5-5.8 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.3 GHz (hyperthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D4 - GSkill Ripjaws 2x 16 Gb 4266 mhz @ 3200 mhz / cas 13 -  Inno3D RTX4090 X3 iCHILL 24 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Thermaltake Level 10 GT case - EKWB Extreme 240 liquid cooling set push/pull - 2x 55’ Sony 4K tv's as front view and right view.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 1x 65” Sony 4K tv as left view.

FOV : 190 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, GSalden said:

what would you like better ? Me staying at home in the cockpit or me going out with friends every Friday / Saturday

or who would ever want to go out with his own wife every Friday/Sunday. absurd idea.

Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, HP Reverb G2 VR headset @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Aeronautical Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/24/2022 at 3:07 AM, Michael Moe said:

Mostly benefits newer RTX2/3 series with DX12?

I am still on 1080TI waiting for a new build still.

Diskcleaner for shaders shifting between DX11 and 12?

Thanks Michael Moe

I'm on 1080ti still and just tried dx12.  Runs smoother for me. Only gained a few FPS but its a lot smoother and i was able to run LOD slightly higher. I saw try it with the new studio drivers.  I'm not going back to DX11. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, tgsweat said:

I'm not going back to DX11. 

Same. I see no reason whatsoever for that. However, many are reporting higher VRAM usage with DX12, and some are pointing out the risk of exceeding available VRAM, leading to RAM being used, with much lower latency. So it's probably a good idea to have a look in dev mode if DX12 is not giving good performance. If VRAM usage is too high - lower the settings. 


i9-12900KF @ 5.1GHz | MSI Trio Gaming X RTX4090 | MSI MPG Z690 Carbon EK X | G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 | WD Black SN850 2TB SSD | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB SSD | 2x Samsung 960 EVO 500GB SSDs | Hela 850R Platinum PCIe 5.0 w/ 12VHPWR cable | Corsair RM750X | LG 77" OLED 3840x2160 | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind pedals | Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack X Airbus Edition

“Intensify the forward batteries. I don’t want anything to get through”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

If VRAM usage is too high - lower the settings. 

Or get a 3090/4090 😄

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

If VRAM usage is too high - lower the settings. 

Which might be the most demanding settings for VRAM?


Tapani Österberg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Virtpilot said:

Which might be the most demanding settings for VRAM?

Texture resolution ultra, 4K resolution with increased render scaling.

Shadow maps at max seem to use a bit more, but not that much.  

I just tested and clouds, terrain and object LODs doesn't seem to impact VRAM much. Having a TLOD of 10 or 400 and GPU mem is about the same, reported by dev mode. 

Edited by Cpt_Piett
  • Like 2
  • Upvote 1

i9-12900KF @ 5.1GHz | MSI Trio Gaming X RTX4090 | MSI MPG Z690 Carbon EK X | G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 | WD Black SN850 2TB SSD | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB SSD | 2x Samsung 960 EVO 500GB SSDs | Hela 850R Platinum PCIe 5.0 w/ 12VHPWR cable | Corsair RM750X | LG 77" OLED 3840x2160 | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind pedals | Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack X Airbus Edition

“Intensify the forward batteries. I don’t want anything to get through”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Texture resolution ultra, 4K resolution with increased render scaling.

Just tested the effects of texture resolution on VRAM:

  • Low: 8.5GB
  • Ultra: 11GB

Same airport, all other settings the same. Just noted "GPU mem" in dev mode just after loading a flight at EGKA. 

Hence, if people are struggling with DX12 and VRAM being excessively used, leading to stutters, the most efficient way to lower VRAM usage could be to lower the texture resolution. 

  • Like 2

i9-12900KF @ 5.1GHz | MSI Trio Gaming X RTX4090 | MSI MPG Z690 Carbon EK X | G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 | WD Black SN850 2TB SSD | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB SSD | 2x Samsung 960 EVO 500GB SSDs | Hela 850R Platinum PCIe 5.0 w/ 12VHPWR cable | Corsair RM750X | LG 77" OLED 3840x2160 | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind pedals | Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack X Airbus Edition

“Intensify the forward batteries. I don’t want anything to get through”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Tom Allensworth,
    Founder of AVSIM Online


  • Flight Simulation's Premier Resource!

    AVSIM is a free service to the flight simulation community. AVSIM is staffed completely by volunteers and all funds donated to AVSIM go directly back to supporting the community. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. Thank you for your support!

    Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date.
×
×
  • Create New...