I noticed today that Navigraph on their website does not list the yearly Navdata Subscription only for around $30, The only pricing that is shown now, is the $90 yearly for Navdata plus  charts. I don't need charts. So I have to pay an additional $60 a year for something I have no need for. 

 

https://navigraph.com/pricing

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

I mailed Navigraph and did a check with an old account of mine and noticed the following:

1. if you have a current subscription and login to your account you will only see the option to get an Ultimate subscription. The navdata only option is nowhere to be found. Navigraph clearly doesn't want you to know the option is still there... even though it actually still is there:

2. if you do NOT have a current subscription and login to your account the Pricing page will only show the Ultimate subscription. However, when you go to My Account you will the see option 'Get a Navigation Data subscription' at the bottom of the page. Navigraph decided to only advertise the Ultimate option and to hide the navdata option from view: obviously they'd like to see everyone taking the Ultimate subscription... But the navdata option is still there and available for everyone, so also new users. Note that you will ONLY see this option without an active subscription!

3. for the navdate without charts you will only get the option to start a yearly subscription and it costs € 36,05 right now (including VAT). At least on the page I am seeing: this may be different if you live in another region. This means the option to take a one month subscription (and keep on using it for a longer period) is completely gone.

BTW Navigraph confirmed by e-mail that you won't see the navdata only option when you have an active subscription. And also that the only way to find it is to go to the My Account page once/if you do not have a subscription. It's a deliberate choice to hide the navdate option as much as possible.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by tup61

10 minutes ago, tup61 said:

I mailed Navigraph and did a check with an old account of mine and noticed the following:

1. if you have a current subscription and login to your account you will only see the option to get an Ultimate subscription. The navdata only option is nowhere to be found. Navigraph clearly doesn't want you to know the option is still there... because it actually still is there:

2. if you do NOT have a current subscription and login to your account the Pricing page will only show the Ultimate subscription. However, when you go to My Account you will the see option 'Get a Navigation Data subscription' at the bottom of the page. Navigraph decided to only advertise the Ultimate option and to hide the navdata option from view: obviously they'd like to see everyone taking the Ultimate subscription... But the navdata option is still there and available for everyone, so also new users. Note that you will ONLY see this option without an active subscription!

3. for the navdate without charts you will only get the option to start a yearly subscription and it costs € 36,05 right now (including VAT). At least on the page I am seeing: this may be different if you live in another region. This means the option to take a one month subscription is completely gone.

It is pretty obvious, looking all over their website, that the Navdata only subscription is being phased out. You either go for the $90 a year subscription, or go somewhere else like Aerosoft data. 

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

It is pretty obvious, looking all over their website, that the Navdata only subscription is being phased out. You either go for the $90 a year subscription, or go somewhere else like Aerosoft data. 

Hmmm, I am not sure. They clearly want everyone to go for Ultimate but if you want to and know where to look you can still get the navdata only option. I think they'd lose quite a bit of income if they only offer the Ultimate option... It's all just a marketing trick. I doubt if they are really going to phase it out completely.

I myself am already a bit bummed the one month only option is gone... I don't really need an up to date AIRAC all year long: I just want all my stuff to be in sync. As I posted elsewhere I think I will see how far I can get with just the default Navblue navdata (once my current ultimate sub ends). If I do run into problems somewhere in the future I might get that navdata only subscription anyway. The charts I can do without though.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by tup61

1 minute ago, tup61 said:

Hmmm, I am not sure. They clearly want everyone to go for Ultimate but if you want to and know where to look you can still get the navdata only option. I think they'd lose quite a bit of income if they only offer the Ultimate option... It's all just a marketing trick. I doubt if they are really going to phase it out completely.

I myself am already a bit bummed the one month only option is gone... I don't really need an up to date AIRAC all year long: I just want all my stuff to be in sync. As I posted elsewhere I think I will see how far I can get with just the default Navblue navdata (once my current ultimate sub ends). If I do run into problems somewhere in the future I might get that navdata only subscription anyway. The charts I can do without though.

I looked all over the site, logged into my account etc,, I see no mention of any Navdata only price. If you see it, can you post a link, because I can't find it. 

55 minutes ago, tup61 said:

for the navdate without charts you will only get the option to start a yearly subscription and it costs € 36,05 right now (including VAT).

I paid €29.79 last month.

55 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

or go somewhere else like Aerosoft data. 

And you'll end up "locked out" of Simbrief. Time to search for an alternate? I used FS Build before, but can't output MSFS flightplans, just FS9 and FSX/P3D...

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by Luis Hernandez
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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I looked all over the site, logged into my account etc,, I see no mention of any Navdata only price. If you see it, can you post a link, because I can't find it. 

 

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

Note that you will ONLY see this option without an active subscription!

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You can only see this option when you do not have an active subscription AND when you are logged in. I asked Navigraph about this by mail and they replied "When your subscription has ended you find the Navigation Data subscription under "My Account"." So not before that time. They are doing almost all they can to prevent you from taking a navdata only subscription.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by tup61

https://forum.navigraph.com/t/navdata-only-subscription/9714/2

That's what I found. 

1 minute ago, tup61 said:

 

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You can only see this option when you do not have an active subscription AND when you are logged in. I asked Navigraph about this by mail and they replied "When your subscription has ended you find the Navigation Data subscription under "My Account"." So not before that time. They are doing almost all they can to prevent you from taking a navdata only subscription.

I agree, horrible business model, that's for sure. 

35 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

And you'll end up "locked out" of Simbrief. Time to search for an alternate? I used FS Build before, but can't output MSFS flightplans, just FS9 and FSX/P3D...

LNM or the default planner come to mind... The first requires a bit more work, the second isn't as bad some people think it is (well, okay, depending on your expectations... but it does work). Both can work with the default (free) Navblue navdata.

Just now, Orlaam said:

https://forum.navigraph.com/t/navdata-only-subscription/9714/2

That's what I found. 

I did that and just got the price for $90

2 minutes ago, Orlaam said:

https://forum.navigraph.com/t/navdata-only-subscription/9714/2

That's what I found. 

Correct. But you only see that if you do not have an active subscription. I presume that's the case with you? When I log in with my account that DOES have a subscription I don't get to see that option.

  

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I did that and just got the price for $90

Because you DO have an active subscription.

It's quite confusing and not exactly customer friendly. The options you see depend on your situation (an account, yes or no, and a subscription, yes or no). I specially find it quite odd (to put it mildly) that users who are current customers do NOT get to see that option. It's a bit misleading imho.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by tup61

Well that's pretty crappy.  Many users don't need their charts. 😐  It will be a bad business decision, but I have a feeling they adjusted their chart pricing to recoup the losses.

3 minutes ago, tup61 said:

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It's quite confusing and not exactly customer friendly. The options you see depend on your situation (an account, yes or no, and a subscription, yes or no). I specially find it quite odd (to put it mildly) that users who are current customers do NOT get to see that option. It's a bit misleading imho.

Something a scammer would think up.