2 hours ago, Gulfstream said:

I don't care about whether or not some low-level system call or API is 32ms faster on Linux.

XP is made up of some 100,000 files

more if you have a lot of scenery

100,000 multiplied by 32ms is

0.032 x 100,000 

3200 seconds

or 53 minutes

so if it was that much faster, your xplane would be talking pretty much an hour longer to start up.

Does it?

And there is me getting cranky that this XP12 install is often taking 60 seconds to load in instead of 15 to 20 🤪

 

 

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by mSparks

On 5/28/2023 at 1:32 PM, flying_carpet said:

Is it really this significant? Reason I'm asking is, I'm thinking to dump Windows (not only for reasons regarding X-Plane but also others).

Never measured it, but the difference is significant enough to be easily noticable.

 

If you want to leave Windows because of 11's atrocious UI, stay away from any Linux distro using GNOME, which is similiar to 11's "Let's imitate macOS, but worse" spirit. KDE Plasma or Cinnamon is where it's at for something more akin to Windows 10's UI functionality.

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by Bjoern

On 5/26/2023 at 5:02 PM, Bjoern said:

Maybe it's an EXT4 vs NTFS thing.

That's part of it. Seems like EXT4 gets updates and speed improvements with each new kernel release. Has NTFS ever changed since release?

I would imagine the kernel I/O scheduler is another part. I don't know if windows has options to change that or not (or anything about it for that matter). Default Linux has 4 kernel schedulers to chose from (fifo, bmq, mq-deadline, kyber). Would be interesting to compare XP12 start times across those options. Not forgetting to clear the RAM file caches before each test, of course.

 

7 hours ago, Murmur said:

In the 2 most demanding computer applications though, it holds 80% (web servers) and 100% (supercomputers).

I love that latter stat. I do recall there was an attempt at the supercomputing market with a windows HPC version, but it failed.

And essentially 100% of phones, between android and ios. But I'm not volunteering to run startup benchmarks with XP mobile! Soooo many devices/variables there...

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by blingthinger

7 hours ago, Daube said:

Yes, Linux is definitely the best for the computers that can't be used by anybody.

Why is it a bad thing 😄 , if a system is for experts? Apart from that, even my best friend's dad (75 years or so) uses meanwhile Linux and doesn't even noticed a difference after his son installed Linux. So, no reason for me to worry dumping Windows for Linux.

 

2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Never measured it, but the difference is significant enough to be easily noticable.

 

If you want to leave Windows because of 11's atrocious UI, stay away from any Linux distro using GNOME, which is similiar to 11's "Let's imitate macOS, but worse" spirit. KDE Plasma or Cinnamon is where it's at for something more akin to Windows 10's UI functionality.

Thanks. That's what I also read - I'm not a complete Linux noob 😉, insofar that I have seen it already on other peoples PC's and read this and that about it. If questions arise, I will ask (or look into the respective subforum at the org).

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If you want to talk about OSs I can move this topic to the appropriate forum.

Alternatively you can stay on topic, XP12.

 

6 hours ago, GoranM said:

A software engineer singing Windows' praises, claiming it's so reliable, it never crashes. 

If other software engineers are like you, using Windows to help "run this crazy planet", I'll be booking a trip on Elon's next trip to Mars.  

In light of staying on the good side of the moderators, and since I have nothing to add to XP12 start-up times across platforms, I will say this.   I've been working with Windows since v1.0.  My first computer was a PcJr in the 80s.  Flight Simulator since v3.0 in 1988.   X-Plane, P3D and others since.  I got my commercial pilot's license due to Flight Simulator.

I am intimately familiar with how the internals of Windows memory management work.  From the Cache Manager, flushed pages, 256 KB cache slots in system address space getting handed back to user-mode.

This whole thing is a highly optimized, choreographed, and robust dance.

Has my Windows every crashed?   Yes, although I haven't rebooted this one in over 2 weeks and I can't ever recall getting a BSOD in the last 5 years.  It doesn't become sluggish, glitchy, "weird", or anything else.  It feels the same today as it did 3 weeks ago and I'm jumping between development environments, tools, communications platforms, browsers, AAA games, constantly.

If I somehow come across as some sort of a Microsoft "word not allowed" you really don't know me.  My other machine is a Mac M1, so there's my Linux.   And WSL under Windows as needed.  I prefer to stay working under Windows, even with the M1.  I have it setup as I need it and it's a reliable workhorse.

I use them all, I have to, they pay me to.

Now, back to those load times ...

4 hours ago, Gulfstream said:

And WSL under Windows

you seem quite knowledgeable on the matter.

presumably this is a quick and easy way for windows users to get the (current estimate) 70% startup time reduction by installing XP12 on an ext4 partition rather than an ancient clunky ntfs or worse fat32 one?

I cant help there because my knowledge of windows beyond 2012 extends only to  googling for things like how to make the windows key work (top result starts with press windows key + R) or why it BSODs doing normal everyday tasks.

Like, sure, its a few hundred $'s more expensive than just sticking a linux boot drive in a usb slot, but some people are willing to pay to make that complex task easier.

we would all love to hear about it ❤. 

 

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

you seem quite knowledgeable on the matter.

presumably this is a quick and easy way for windows users to get the (current estimate) 70% startup time reduction by installing XP12 on an ext4 partition rather than an ancient clunky ntfs or worse fat32 one?

Yes you can Mount a Linux disk in WSL 2 ... the default filesystem type is "ext4".

Requires Windows 11 Build 22000 or later.

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Like, sure, its a few hundred $'s more expensive than just sticking a linux boot drive in a usb slot, but some people are willing to pay to make that complex task easier.

If you are into USB sticks and Linux fun you should check out Tails (based on Debian GNU/Linux).

Combine that with Tor and you're the master of your own domain.

I've been around the block.

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by Gulfstream

45 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

Yes you can Mount a Linux disk in WSL 2 ... the default filesystem type is "ext4".

Requires Windows 11 Build 22000 or later.

If you are into USB sticks and Linux fun you should check out Tails (based on Debian GNU/Linux).

Combine that with Tor and you're the master of your own domain.

I've been around the block.

yuck, you lost me at

GET-CimInstance -query "SELECT * from

in linux you just click this

dont they have a similar nice pointy clicky with on screen instructions option that normal people can use?

If not, can you at least try it yourself and let is know if its worth the effort on windows if it is as good as you say rather than just linking some random impenetrable tutorial that popped up by searching for answers using Linux servers. .

Edited May 29, 20233 yr by mSparks

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in linux you just click this

That's weak. Real Linux users use fdisk -l

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

yuck, you lost me at

GET-CimInstance -query "SELECT * from

in linux you just click this

That's Windows PowerShell, a super powerful replacement for the regular command line.

I thought Linux types loved command line stuff, and not pointy-clicky?

Either way, you can drop into Bash if you prefer.

So that's it on this topic.  The answer to your question of "can you mount ext4 drives on Windows?" the answer is "yes", you can.  👍

32 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

That's Windows PowerShell, a super powerful replacement for the regular command line.

I thought Linux types loved command line stuff, and not pointy-clicky?

I know what windows powershell is, I mean "I, along with everyone else lost interest"

We like commandlines when it speeds things up, such as starting applications such as X-Plane quickly without searching, nothing is cut from this from ~`18 months ago:

 

37 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

The answer to your question of "can you mount ext4 drives on Windows?" the answer is "yes", you can.  👍

You seem to make out that is was possible for windows to compete with that, I can now understand why you wouldn't want to explain how or even try it, but I still can't understand why you would think that is a tolerable option.