I'm thinking of getting two Logitech USB TQs in order to have 6 axes for a twin prop a/c (2 ea throttle, prop and mixture). There now seems to be two versions of the USB TQ. What seems to be a newer version as shown here

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/flight/flight-simulator-throttle-quadrant.945-000032.html

and an older version as shown here
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Pro-Flight-Throttle-Quadrant/dp/B01M00UHE3

Note for example, that the "older" TQ has a green power on LED in the lower left hand corner while the newer one does not. Are there any other differences between these two TQs?  I know the "older" version has a switch at the bottom of each axis range that is activated by pulling the lever all the way back. Does the newer model also have that feature? Price aside, does the newer model offer any advantages over the older model?

I also see the specs listed on the website for the "newer" model lists LED lights and an LCD screen. I don't think that is correct unless the orange bars above the rocker switches are LEDs.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Al

Edited August 3, 20232 yr by ark

Ark, 

I believed the one being offered on the Amazon is the same one listed on logitech,com.

In fact I do think the Amazon has the best price for the throttle.

Functionality they perform the same.

Hope this helps.

 

Al, your best bet is the Virtual Fly TQ6 PLUS. Make sure it’s the PLUSVas the earlier version used pots. The PLUS has Hall-Effect sensors.

https://www.virtual-fly.com/shop/controls/tq6-plus?gclid=CjwKCAjww7KmBhAyEiwA5-PUSi_GmRL5bOA2qNSrDcp6G32jJTgE9K9Tv9ymcRZJAhC2QqAe2i2MAxoCs84QAvD_BwE

14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Al, your best bet is the Virtual Fly TQ6 PLUS. Make sure it’s the PLUSVas the earlier version used pots. The PLUS has Hall-Effect sensors.

https://www.virtual-fly.com/shop/controls/tq6-plus?gclid=CjwKCAjww7KmBhAyEiwA5-PUSi_GmRL5bOA2qNSrDcp6G32jJTgE9K9Tv9ymcRZJAhC2QqAe2i2MAxoCs84QAvD_BwE

Not at that price 😱

I'm sure it's absolutely awesome though.

 

@ark those are the both the same thing as far as I can tell.  Maybe very minor differences so I don't think it would matter which one you get.  I have two of the Logitech throttle quadrants and I really like them.  The levers are sensitive enough that I can make very small adjustments and if you push the levers down when they are already in the down position (or 0%), it activates a button you can use for reverse thrusters.

My favorite part about them, besides the reasonable price is that I can use one of the switches on the bottom front for trim.  Every flight simulator ever made all have oversensitive trim making trimming airplanes difficult but due to the design of those switches, I'm easily able to trim out any aircraft in any flight simulator.  This is due to the particular design of the switches, they allow for extremely short, fast switch presses and that means the trim wheel in the airplane will move much less allowing me to make very small trim adjustments.  I've tried several different methods for trim and this works best by far.

Go ahead and get the Logitech throttle quadrant, you will do just fine with it.  It's a good product for the price.  BTW I see the one you show on Amazon is on sale rn so grab it up while it's on sale.

3 minutes ago, Kalnon said:

Not at that price 😱

It’s that price for a reason. Carry on buying Logitech rubbish. Yes, it will work fine for a few years but once the pots start spiking it’s impossible to replace them. So 99.99% of the unit is fine but it becomes useless once a pot fails. Been there, done that.

For four-engine aircraft like Concorde I need a six axis quadrant. The Fulcrum was ideal but sadly it doesn’t look like it will be an option. The TQ6 is not suitable for four-engine aircraft. So I’m probably stuck with Logitech rubbish.

26 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It’s that price for a reason. Carry on buying Logitech rubbish. Yes, it will work fine for a few years but once the pots start spiking it’s impossible to replace them. So 99.99% of the unit is fine but it becomes useless once a pot fails. Been there, done that.

For four-engine aircraft like Concorde I need a six axis quadrant. The Fulcrum was ideal but sadly it doesn’t look like it will be an option. The TQ6 is not suitable for four-engine aircraft. So I’m probably stuck with Logitech rubbish.

I do realize the one you showed is probably top of the line premium product, it probably is worth the price if that's the case.

The most expensive piece of hardware I own is my Honeycomb Alpha yoke which is awesome and is a high quality product, but I do use the Logitech quadrants and Logitech rudder pedals.  I know Logitech is far from top of the line products but for the price, their products aren't bad at all in my opinion.  I've had the throttle quadrants and the pedals for three years now and so far everything is still holding up well.  You are right though, it is only a matter of time before something goes wrong.  Considering I paid about $50 US per throttle quadrant and I've got three years out of them ( and hopefully a few more)I think is a good deal.

Edit: I think if you can afford the best of the best hardware, than you should go for that but for those of us that are on a tighter budget have to make hard choices sometimes.  I'm honestly happy just to have hardware that works and adds to the realism of flight simulation.  Believe it or not, I used FSX for years with literally just a joystick and nothing else.  No throttles, no rudder pedals, just a joystick with just a few buttons and a single slider that I could use for throttle control 😄

Edited August 4, 20232 yr by Kalnon

9 minutes ago, Kalnon said:

I do realize the one you showed is probably top of the line premium product, it probably is worth the price if that's the case.

Think how much you pay for a CPU or GPU. Then think how many years you get out of them before an upgrade is needed.

A quality yoke / TQ will last far longer. Same with quality monitors. I’m prepared to invest more in that type of hardware simply because it’s decent value for money over the long term.

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Think how much you pay for a CPU or GPU. Then think how many years you get out of them before an upgrade is needed.

A quality yoke / TQ will last far longer. Same with quality monitors. I’m prepared to invest more in that type of hardware simply because it’s decent value for money over the long term.

Yeah I understand, if I could afford those prices for all my hardware I certainly would (see edit I just made above).  I would love to have the throttle quadrant you showed but those prices is far outside my limits.  Sometimes you have to make due with what you have.

2 hours ago, Kalnon said:

Yeah I understand, if I could afford those prices for all my hardware I certainly would (see edit I just made above).  I would love to have the throttle quadrant you showed but those prices is far outside my limits.  Sometimes you have to make due with what you have.

I just saved till I could afford it. The TQ6 is well worth it even at $750. Once you touch the metal you cant go back to plastic, so be careful, or you will be spending a lot of money.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The TQ6 is not suitable for four-engine aircraft.

Ray, why is the Virtual Fly TQ6 any different than the Fulcrum TQ would have been (or the Saitek TQs) when it comes to 4 engine aircraft? I'm just curious what the issue is (perhaps the labeling on the TQ6, or the fact you can't switch the lever knobs?).

I do wish the Virtual Fly TQ had some assignable buttons like the Logitech rocker switches, but I suppose there are other ways to deal with that such as a Stream Deck. That reminds me, does the TQ6 have switches at the end of each axis range that are activated by pulling the lever all the way back?

Al

Edited August 4, 20232 yr by ark

Ark,

From the above video, I think it does have the same switches at the end of each axis range that are activated by pulling the lever all the way down.

Hope this helps.

 

Edited August 4, 20232 yr by ntydk

2 hours ago, ark said:

Ray, why is the Virtual Fly TQ6 any different than the Fulcrum TQ would have been (or the Saitek TQs) when it comes to 4 engine aircraft? I'm just curious what the issue is (perhaps the labeling on the TQ6, or the fact you can't switch the lever knobs?).

The Fulcrum has six levers all equally spaced. Moving the inner four was easy. Now look at the TQ6 and the spacing between 1/2 and 3/4. Not easy to manipulate.

2 hours ago, ark said:

That reminds me, does the TQ6 have switches at the end of each axis range that are activated by pulling the lever all the way back?

Possibly. It’s been a long time since I handled one. The website should say. The lack of buttons is a pain. I suggested to Chris he modelled his on the Logitech and he did with the obvious difference being the angled positioning plus a tension knob. Hall-Effect sensors too of course.

It really is the perfect quadrant and I just hope he can survive and produce them.

1 hour ago, ntydk said:

From the above video, I think it does have the same switches at the end of each axis range that are activated by pulling the lever all the way down.

I don't think there are any actual switches at the end of the TQ6 axis ranges. There is a definite click to indicate you have entered the detent range, but there apparently is no switch as far as I can tell.  I think the click is just to indicate you are below the detent and you have to configure whatever software you are using accordingly.  I can't find anything on the Virtual Fly website that mentions a switch. If you take a look at the TQ6 review at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9_W1mMRFbo&t=18s then at about the 7 minute point you will see this:

I also looked at the TQ6 manual and no switches were mentioned. Perhaps someone with a TQ6+ could confirm whether there is or is not a switch at the end of each axis range.

Al

 

Edited August 4, 20232 yr by ark

Please don't buy that saytek/logitech junk, it uses some dirty cheap potentiometers that start malfunctioning sometimes after just a few hours of use.

59 minutes ago, Lucas777 said:

Please don't buy that saytek/logitech junk, it uses some dirty cheap potentiometers that start malfunctioning sometimes after just a few hours of use.

I've had a Saitek throttle quadrant for 10 years or more and it has held up reasonable well (I have taken it apart and cleaned the pots). Despite that I really wanted a better quality metal TQ. But I do need a switch at the end of the lever ranges, and the Fulcrum TQ would of had that, plus adjustable lever tension, Hall Effect sensors and some extra switches. Would have been great.

So now that it looks like the Fulcrum TQ will not happen, at least not in the foreseeable future, what options do I have  -- for a start, what other "better quality" 6 axisTQs have a switch at the end of the lever ranges?

Al

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by ark