50 minutes ago, Lucas777 said:

Please don't buy that saytek/logitech junk, it uses some dirty cheap potentiometers that start malfunctioning sometimes after just a few hours of use.

A few hours? Are you serious? In that case you’re probably using them in a way they aren’t designed for. Mine have lasted minimum 3-4 years.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

A few hours? Are you serious? In that case you’re probably using them in a way they aren’t designed for. Mine have lasted minimum 3-4 years.

I'm not talking only from my experience, that would be an insignificant sample.

Internet is full of reports about how bad is this controller.

You can simply google it, I bet it has been mentioned on this forum plenty of times too.

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

A few hours? Are you serious? In that case you’re probably using them in a way they aren’t designed for. Mine have lasted minimum 3-4 years.

I am on only my second Logitech Extreme 3d Pro in 12 years. Current one is 4years old.

4 hours ago, Lucas777 said:

I'm not talking only from my experience, that would be an insignificant sample.

Internet is full of reports about how bad is this controller.

You can simply google it, I bet it has been mentioned on this forum plenty of times too.

I don't know what to say here. To claim (and set your personal opinion as fact!) that Logitech products is downright 'junk' is a statement I find ludicrous and downright insulting for the many, many people, who's relying on them daily... I mean seriously?? Come on. My lastest Logitech Extreme 3D Pro lasted for 15 years!

I've had pheripherals (mice, keyboards, joysticks) from Logitech, which have lasted quite a long time. My personal experience is, that Logitech is very good quality for a reasonable price. Of course, you cannot beat high-quality premium metal products - but the price-range is also on another level. Not everyone is looking to shelve out thousands of dollars on a controller. Just because you have the money and are willing to spend it on that, doesn't mean everyone will or can. And there's absolutely no need to berate those who have different priorities or is as economically fortunate as you are.

Just my opinion, of course. 🙂

6 hours ago, Lucas777 said:

I'm not talking only from my experience, that would be an insignificant sample.

Internet is full of reports about how bad is this controller.

You can simply google it, I bet it has been mentioned on this forum plenty of times too.

If there are so many negative posts then link to some of them. Like Ian, my throttles last several years before the pots fail. I’ve never known anyone to say it’s failed in a matter of hours.

Given that for the immediate future I don't see an alternative to the Logitech TQ that will meet my needs, I would like to find a way to increase the force required to move the levers. I'm not looking for something adjustable, just a one-time "fix". For example, sliding some kind of rubber sleeve or perhaps a piece of heat shrink tubing over the lever, or inserting a thin plastic shim of some kind, to increase the friction between the lever and the case. Would appreciate any ideas.

Looking further out, I still hope that Chris and Fulcrum can eventually recover from the current situation. If not, it occurred to me that maybe he could sell the company. The yoke is a known quantity and my impression is the design of the TQ was completed and just awaiting parts. So perhaps selling Fulcrum would help get Chris out of a financial hole (if that is the situation) while being a good investment for a new owner.

The current situation not only impacts those who are waiting for a paid TQ or yoke, but also potentially impacts current Fulcrum yoke users since there is now no support should something fail with our yoke. So a sad and unfortunate situation all around.

Al

Edited August 6, 20232 yr by ark

7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If there are so many negative posts then link to some of them.

Why would I even bother?

 

6 minutes ago, Lucas777 said:

Why would I even bother?

To prove a point.

20 hours ago, ark said:

Given that for the immediate future I don't see an alternative to the Logitech TQ that will meet my needs, I would like to find a way to increase the force required to move the levers. I'm not looking for something adjustable, just a one-time "fix". For example, sliding some kind of rubber sleeve or perhaps a piece of heat shrink tubing over the lever, or inserting a thin plastic shim of some kind, to increase the friction between the lever and the case. Would appreciate any ideas.

Looking further out, I still hope that Chris and Fulcrum can eventually recover from the current situation. If not, it occurred to me that maybe he could sell the company. The yoke is a known quantity and my impression is the design of the TQ was completed and just awaiting parts. So perhaps selling Fulcrum would help get Chris out of a financial hole (if that is the situation) while being a good investment for a new owner.

The current situation not only impacts those who are waiting for a paid TQ or yoke, but also potentially impacts current Fulcrum yoke users since there is now no support should something fail with our yoke. So a sad and unfortunate situation all around.

Al

I personally think the friction is ok for the most part but it does feel a bit light.  A little more friction is a good idea which reminded me of something I have used in the past to help add the right feel to my HOTAS throttle I use for fighter jets, helicopter cyclic and space flight games like Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen.  The throttle action was really rough and terrible, then someone pointed me to this stuff called "Nyogel 767A" which is primarily used to add smoothness and friction to input devices like joysticks throttles, etc.  You can find it here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W6KWK1Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had to take the throttle apart and added the Nyogel to the metal rails that the throttle lever moves along and it completely transformed the feel of the throttle.  This stuff really works wonders and makes my HOTAS throttle feel so much more realistic.  It is a little pricey for just a bottle of some gel but I tell you the difference is night and day.  In fact, I've read that even some real life pilots use it on the levers in their real aircraft to make the feel better.  Thinking about it now makes me want to try it myself on my Logitech TQ.

I've never taken apart my Logitech TQ's but I'm sure it is possible to use this stuff to make the lever action feel more realistic.  This I think is your best option to improve that.

Edited August 7, 20232 yr by Kalnon

1 hour ago, Kalnon said:

The throttle action was really rough and terrible, then someone pointed me to this stuff called "Nyogel 767A" which is primarily used to add smoothness and friction to input devices like joysticks throttles, etc. 

Interesting. I had not heard about Nyogel. Thanks.

Al

6 hours ago, Kalnon said:

I've never taken apart my Logitech TQ's but I'm sure it is possible to use this stuff to make the lever action feel more realistic.  This I think is your best option to improve that.

I think to use the Nyogel on the Logitech TQ you would have to apply it along the slots that the axes levers protrude through. Not sure applying something gooey there on the vertical sides of the slots would be a good idea. Although I haven't used it, it would seem Nyogel might be better suited for use on a horizontal surface.

Al

Edited August 7, 20232 yr by ark

Just now, ark said:

I think to use the Nyogel on the Logitech TQ you would have to apply it along the slots that the axes levers protrude through.

No. Nyogel 767A is a good damping grease, but to make it work with a TQ you'll have to disassemble the unit first, taking our the lever modules. Then each of the modules has to be taken apart (two halves held by two screws and some kind of rubber-like glue at one point; easy enough) and you'll see the grooved tracks where the original grease is placed. Remove it and re-grease the tracks with Nyogel. I did it when modifying my TQ and it works quite well.

4 minutes ago, SergeyPe said:

No. Nyogel 767A is a good damping grease, but to make it work with a TQ you'll have to disassemble the unit first, taking our the lever modules. Then each of the modules has to be taken apart (two halves held by two screws and some kind of rubber-like glue at one point; easy enough) and you'll see the grooved tracks where the original grease is placed. Remove it and re-grease the tracks with Nyogel. I did it when modifying my TQ and it works quite well.

I see, thanks, good info!

Al

1 hour ago, ark said:

I see, thanks, good info!

Here you can see the internals of the module where also the grooves are visible. Actually the pictures show the mod with the original potentiometers replaced by AS5600 magnetic sensors which eliminates all the pot's spiking/ wear issues. The mod details are described here. I used the AS5600 modules of my own design but also the ones from Aliexpress or Amazon can be used (the green board on one of the pictures); the PCB is very small and needs just a minor trimming to fit the module.

7 minutes ago, SergeyPe said:

Here you can see the internals of the module where also the grooves are visible.

Wow, that's quite a project, very impressive. I see the multiple groves where you would put the Nyogel grease. Would you use the Nyogel on both sides of the lever module, or just one side?

Thanks,

Al

Edited August 7, 20232 yr by ark