the best system simulator available for home entertainment I know, was approved by FAA for airlines as system training tool, with MSFS as scenery simulator the perfect long haul airliner combination at the moment. I'm using my 55" for MSFS scenery and several 19" for the PSX displays and panels. With the cons that external hardware could unfortunately only assigned with programming skills and you have to read and learn and configure a lot to finally have fun, but it worth it of course. Regarding the 2D panels, that's no problem for me, using most of the time the displays and external hardware for controlling the accessIble controls and in case of the panels. I love it. And btw neither WT nor PMDG in FSX/P3D is near to PSX... Best regard

OK, so I give up. How does one access the rest of the cockpit, e.g., overhead, pedestal, etc.? Are there multiple display panels not shown in the video?

11 minutes ago, cseu said:

the best system simulator available for home entertainment I know, was approved by FAA for airlines as system training tool, with MSFS as scenery simulator the perfect long haul airliner combination at the moment. I'm using my 55" for MSFS scenery and several 19" for the PSX displays and panels. With the cons that external hardware could unfortunately only assigned with programming skills and you have to read and learn and configure a lot to finally have fun, but it worth it of course. Regarding the 2D panels, that's no problem for me, using most of the time the displays and external hardware for controlling the accessIble controls and in case of the panels. I love it. And btw neither WT nor PMDG in FSX/P3D is near to PSX... Best regard

As for entertaining 3D cockpit would be nice LOL

12 minutes ago, jrw4 said:

OK, so I give up. How does one access the rest of the cockpit, e.g., overhead, pedestal, etc.? Are there multiple display panels not shown in the video?

yes there are, every panel is modelled and everey CB is working, you can easily access every panel best you check at aerowinx.com for details

Has this post time travelled forward like 20 years? 

1 hour ago, V1ROTA7E said:

Jeeze, no need to word not allowed on the guy for bringing this to our attention. I've got thousands of hours flying the real 747, and would MUCH rather fly the 2D Aerowinx in the sim than the AAU update. As "believable" as the AAU updates have made the heavies, they're nowhere near, not even remotely near anything high fidelity. No offense to WT and their hard work, but from a real world standpoint, the plane is just not there yet.

I agree 100%. The equipment fidelity is of the utmost importance and greatly appreciated by the real and a few dedicated desktop pilots familiar with it. A higher percentage is interested in eye candy or just flying airplanes outside the cockpit, regardless of anything else. This 2D cockpit it's a factor that might be fine for some. Still, the most important to be mentioned here is that this developer, based on his expertise and fidelity, is the only one that got certification for this software from the FAA, CAA to be used as a CBT for airlines and genuinely recognized as a "study material." 

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

 A higher percentage is interested in eye candy or just flying airplanes outside the cockpit, 

Lol that how we teach initial private pilots here in US - eyes outside cockpit. And no one can get advance certificate or rating without it. 
 
 

37 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Lol that how we teach initial private pilots here in US - eyes outside cockpit. And no one can get advance certificate or rating without it. 
 
 

That's not correct. 

We teach constant scanning in and out. I wonder how you can teach someone "eyes outside cockpit" without scanning basic instruments like airspeed, power settings, vertical speed, altitude, attitude indicator, heading, and stabilized flight in any regime. Besides all the requirements in the private ground school, they also teach flight instruments and what they represent. It's not surprising that there are a lot of incidents when people have the wrong mentality/understanding.

PTS will help you understand all these items. 

36 minutes ago, LRBS said:

That's not correct.

Why is your font getting bigger?

1 minute ago, Bdub22 said:

Why is your font getting bigger?

I don't know, bloody iPhone? Is this better?

36 minutes ago, LRBS said:

That's not correct. 

We teach constant scanning in and out. I wonder how you can teach someone "eyes outside cockpit" without scanning basic instruments like airspeed, power settings, vertical speed, altitude, attitude indicator, heading, and stabilized flight in any regime. Besides all the requirements in the private ground school, they also teach flight instruments and what they represent. It's not surprising that there are a lot of incidents when people have the wrong mentality/understanding.

PTS will help you understand all these items. 

We are using ACS since 2016 lol  Last  time I sent student for a checkride it was eyes outside cockpit  (without fixating on instruments). There of course instruments scanning but not in equal ratio .

Also when I renew last year the main cause of all GA accidents in USA is loss control - not due to wrong mentality or understanding . Did something change in this year year? I wasn’t aware!

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

We are using ACS since 2016 lol  Last  time I sent student for a checkride it was eyes outside cockpit  (without fixating on instruments). There of course instruments scanning but not in equal ratio .

Also when I renew last year the main cause of all GA accidents in USA is loss control - not due to wrong mentality or understanding . Did something change in this year year? I wasn’t aware!

 

 

 

Even initial training is in reference to something, for sure, not from thin air. I agree that at this stage and for this type of training, scanning is different. 

For someone who is new to this, the requirements for PTS (Practical Test Standards) can be very demanding/restrictive, even for private pilots. Just a few to point out:

 

Rotate and lift off at the recommended airspeed and accelerate to the recommended obstacle clearance airspeed or VX, +10/-5 knots. 

 Establish a pitch attitude that will maintain the recommended obstacle clearance airspeed or VX, +10/-5 knots until clearing the obstacle or until the airplane is 50 feet above the surface. 

Establish a pitch attitude for VY and accelerate to VY+10/-5 knots after clearing the obstacle or at 50 feet AGL if simulating an obstacle. 

Configure the airplane in accordance with the manufacturer’s guidance after a positive rate of climb has been verified.

Maintain VY +10/-5 knots to a safe maneuvering altitude. PA.IV.E.S14 Maintain directional control and proper wind-drift correction throughout takeoff and climb.

Establish the recommended approach and landing configuration and airspeed, and adjust pitch attitude and power as required to maintain a stabilized approach. 

Maintain manufacturer’s published approach airspeed or in its absence not more than 1.3 VSO, +10/-5 knots with gust factor applied.

All that requires certain scanning not eyes outside the cockpit.

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by LRBS

17 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Even initial training is in reference to something, for sure, not from thin air. I agree that at this stage and for this type of training, scanning is different. 

For someone who is new to this, the requirements for PTS (Practical Test Standards) can be very demanding/restrictive, even for private pilots. Just a few to point out:

 

Rotate and lift off at the recommended airspeed and accelerate to the recommended obstacle clearance airspeed or VX, +10/-5 knots. 

 Establish a pitch attitude that will maintain the recommended obstacle clearance airspeed or VX, +10/-5 knots until clearing the obstacle or until the airplane is 50 feet above the surface. 

Establish a pitch attitude for VY and accelerate to VY+10/-5 knots after clearing the obstacle or at 50 feet AGL if simulating an obstacle. 

Configure the airplane in accordance with the manufacturer’s guidance after a positive rate of climb has been verified.

Maintain VY +10/-5 knots to a safe maneuvering altitude. PA.IV.E.S14 Maintain directional control and proper wind-drift correction throughout takeoff and climb.

Establish the recommended approach and landing configuration and airspeed, and adjust pitch attitude and power as required to maintain a stabilized approach. 

Maintain manufacturer’s published approach airspeed or in its absence not more than 1.3 VSO, +10/-5 knots with gust factor applied.

All that requires certain scanning not eyes outside the cockpit.

Again PTS no longer exist 🙂  Not sure why you have to post it here and wonder how ? Are actual CFI?

47 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Again PTS no longer exist 🙂  Not sure why you have to post it here and wonder how ? Are actual CFI?

I stand corrected, and I meant to say ACS. My mistake, it's all there.

26 minutes ago, LRBS said:

I stand corrected, and I meant to say ACS. My mistake, it's all there.

You do need to post ACSs. Most of them I know by heart; otherwise, I wouldn't be able to teach. I would suggest to look here

https://www.cfinotebook.net/notebook/aircraft-operations/visual-scanning-and-collision-avoidance

and also review 91.113 (b)

 The rule of thumb to able to fly airplane visually understand relation of pilot's point view: cowling vs horizon while recognize aircraft attitude. In addition, (by employing) physical, audio and visual sensory able to understand airplane behavior  such as descend, climb, stall , acceleration and etc.

One good excise it to land airplane with ASI inop. Rod Machado used to have  whole training series on how to land airplane without working airspeed indicator or elevator by using just power and trim. 

Over the years I've seen numerous CFI's and students who landed safely aircraft without working airspeed indicator . That skill comes directly from knowing how to fly aircraft by visual reference. As mentioned  above proficient pilot must utilize all available assets to fly safety. So visuals are important as well as realistic landscape. There are still airplanes like classic Cub that don't even have electrical system there are no VOR, NDB, or magenta lines there are only stick, rudder, and good pair of eyes! LOL

I did my fair share using FAA approved sims for my commercial. Other than real cockpit mock up and instructor station there were subpar to MSFS. So yeah I logged some time in them but other than procedures it wasn't much useful. So any CFI who ever had a student lost during solo cross country would greatly appreciate MSFS visuals right now  LOL