Adapting to Technology - Part 2

[martin-w 3,370]

Yet another way in which mankind will need to find a way to adapt to new technology.

Quantum computers will be capable of breaking the codes that secure everything from national secrets to credit cards.

Quantum is the language of the universe. We are computing with the language of the universe.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by martin-w

[dave2013 1,191]

I'm not too concerned about this, at least in the near-term.  Quantum computing has a long way to go before it can be used to perform practical or useful tasks.

If the technology ever becomes practical and useful, then I'm sure new encryption methods will be developed, probably using the same technology.

Dave

[kangoat 583]

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I'm not too concerned about this, at least in the near-term.  Quantum computing has a long way to go before it can be used to perform practical or useful tasks.

If the technology ever becomes practical and useful, then I'm sure new encryption methods will be developed, probably using the same technology.

Dave

The issue that some are raising is that anything encrypted right now would be vulnerable if/when quantum computing truly becomes widespread. There are already concerns that some groups, like less than friendly foreign governments, might be stockpiling encrypted data they've stolen today in anticipation of being able to easily crack it later. Sure, some of it will become outdated and stale in the mean time, but not everything (eg. names of long term spies, weapons systems still in use etc.). Re-encrypting that data with some new quantum encryption wouldn't protect the previous content using current encryption.

[HiFlyer 9,502]

Thats works both ways, though.....

Draw.

[martin-w 3,370]

14 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I'm not too concerned about this, at least in the near-term.  Quantum computing has a long way to go before it can be used to perform practical or useful tasks.

If the technology ever becomes practical and useful, then I'm sure new encryption methods will be developed, probably using the same technology.

Dave

 

The current record breaking Quantum Computer has more than 1000 qubits, so they are advancing fast. I don't know if you watched the video but there's a quantum computer in use now, at Cleveland Clinic, in cooperation with IBM.

At 7:24 the guy that founded Google's lab claims that we don't need fundamental breakthroughs, we need little improvements here and there. They're estimating the end of this decade, so 5 or 6 years.

 

  

[kangoat 583]

12 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Thats works both ways, though.....

Draw.

That doesn't really make it better. And it isn't just government level data either, but medical and corporate data that is currently protected may not be in the not too distant future.

[HiFlyer 9,502]

41 minutes ago, goates said:

That doesn't really make it better. And it isn't just government level data either, but medical and corporate data that is currently protected may not be in the not too distant future.

There appears to be no way to make it better, so the best one might be able to hope for is they get hurt worse than us.....

[dave2013 1,191]

I think that a lot of this new tech stuff like quantum computing, AI, certain types of vehicles and energy, etc., have been hyped up by the media as well as individuals and businesses looking to cash in on promoting and sensationalizing it.

Adoption of certain vehicles has fallen off a cliff now that the truth has been revealed and people who bought them are realizing that they're not the greatest thing since sliced bread.  Same goes for certain types of energy.  There are a myriad of articles about this if one is interested.

The AI hype will wear off soon enough as well.

I'm not saying that these technologies are dead, just that they are not ready for practical application on a large scale yet.

Dave

 

[martin-w 3,370]

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Adoption of certain vehicles has fallen off a cliff

Same goes for certain types of energy

 

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BEV sales in all twenty analyzed markets increased by 26% in the third quarter of 2023 in comparison with the same period last year. But if it were not for waning growth in the Chinese market, that figure would be considerably higher.

Autofacts recent study of market trends suggests that this strong BEV sales performance will continue, with projected growth of 35% in all analyzed markets in 2024.

https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/de/en/industries/automotive/electric-vehicle-sales-review-2023-q3.html

 

 

 

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Global additions of renewable power capacity will increase by a third this year, says the International Energy Agency (IEA).

In the IEA’s 2023 Renewable Energy Market Update report, the agency said new global renewable capacity will jump by 107 gigawatts (GW) to over 440 GW. This is the largest increase ever reported.

 

 

 

Any chance we can stick to quantum computers and not get the thread locked? Would be a shame to get this topic locked? 

Edited December 6, 2023 by martin-w

[martin-w 3,370]

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

have been hyped up by the media

 

2.2 billion was spent in 2022 on quantum computing. 

UK alone want to spend 2.5 billion.

US want to spend further billions too. 

Market is expected to expand by 500% by 2028. So no, I don't believe its media hype. 

 

[kangoat 583]

New technologies being hyped up by inventors, companies and the media is nothing new as it has been happening for decades, if not centuries. Of the latest new technologies, I suspect that quantum computing and LLM/AI will be here to stay. Some of the more fanciful uses people imagine for them won't happen, but people are finding them useful for some tasks already (at least when it comes to AI/LLM).

[HiFlyer 9,502]

5 minutes ago, goates said:

New technologies being hyped up by inventors, companies and the media is nothing new as it has been happening for decades, if not centuries. Of the latest new technologies, I suspect that quantum computing and LLM/AI will be here to stay. Some of the more fanciful uses people imagine for them won't happen, but people are finding them useful for some tasks already (at least when it comes to AI/LLM).

I note that in the Amazon bookstore, it's now a thing' to slap on a disclaimer that no part of a given novel has been written by AI.......

I noted the disclaimers recently with a bit of a quirked eyebrow, but it seems to be an actual growing issue.

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by HiFlyer

[dave2013 1,191]

57 minutes ago, martin-w said:

Any chance we can stick to quantum computers and not get the thread locked?

This is a one-time, necessary response to Martin's propaganda:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelharley/2023/10/30/5-reasons-why-electric-vehicle-sales-have-slowed/

https://www.businessinsider.com/automakers-over-estimated-electric-vehicle-demand-early-adopters-2023-10?op=1

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/more-alarm-bells-sound-slowing-demand-electric-vehicles-2023-10-25/

https://fortune.com/2023/11/04/carmakers-rethink-electric-vehicle-investments-demand-inflation-interest-rates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/business/energy-environment/electric-vehicles-sales.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/11/14/ev-sales-2023-slow-inventory-pile-up/71572499007/

Done.

Dave

 

[dave2013 1,191]

I thought I made my position clear in the previous post, but I'll repeat it one more time:

I said that I do not think that these technologies are dead.  They are, however, still immature and not quite ready for large-scale application.  That doesn't mean that they won't ever mature or become viable.  Yes, AI is becoming an issue, but it's not at the point where we have to worry about it "taking over".

Dave

[dmwalker 614]

37 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

Yes, AI is becoming an issue, but it's not at the point where we have to worry about it "taking over".

I think we are already at that point:

"AI systems are being used in the service of disinformation on the internet, giving them the potential to become a threat to democracy and a tool for fascism. From deepfake videos to online bots manipulating public discourse by feigning consensus and spreading fake news."

https://ai100.stanford.edu/gathering-strength-gathering-storms-one-hundred-year-study-artificial-intelligence-ai100-2021-1-0#_2021SQ10ref15