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I think the lack of inertia in some aircraft is the issue. You flick the rudder or turn the tiller, and over they go, instantly, like a paper plane with no mass.

You have that back to front, as the CoG Is above the contact point with the ground then more mass would have a greater force tending to to highside the aircraft, if it had no mass it would not experience any accelerations

6 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

It is, but aircraft flight models need to be updated to take advantage of it (MS/Asobo only updated their C172 and Cabri). 3rd party aircraft devs soon will hopefully, i.e. iniBuilds did for their A300 per https://youtu.be/N4cxNccH66U?t=1318
 

the new A320N also makes use of it, I think.

2 hours ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

You have that back to front, as the CoG Is above the contact point with the ground then more mass would have a greater force tending to to highside the aircraft, if it had no mass it would not experience any accelerations

I can't follow that Burt, but rather than go down the rabbit hole, I mean a lot of aircraft change direction instantly like they have a lack of inertia, or are you saying you think they feel correct?   

If you are a pilot, I will have to believe you, although a lot of videos I watch of aircraft making corrections on take off and landing show that there is more inertia, i.e., the change in direction to left or right is gradual, it builds, it doesn't just do a near instantaneous flip to left or right like some aircraft in MSFS.

The lack of inertia feel might be subtle, but it is there.  Even FSX and P3D had it better I think.  This has been widely discussed, which is why Asobo are trying to make it feel better by adding tweaks in SU15 beta.

Some aircraft like the A2A Comanche feel better, but this is probably due to their flight model being external to the sim, or else they have found some in sim tweaks to use.

10 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I have tried it in the default Cessna, and I am not sure it adds a lot really.  Maybe a little better, but if it is hard to tell then, that tells you how much of an improvement it is. 
I think the lack of inertia in some aircraft is the issue. You flick the rudder or turn the tiller, and over they go, instantly, like a paper plane with no mass.

Are you sure you're using the G1000 C172? The steam gauge version does not have it. I'll test it again but the last time I took it for a spin, it did not behave like that for me. The thing is a pain to turn without differential braking because Asobo correctly limited the turn radius to 10 degrees and it doesn't really jump around. The iniA300 definitely does not behave that way either.

Which is also very interesting when I want to relax with MSFS. I take the cessna 172 and do a flight on the back, the controller in one hand my drink in the other.

10 hours ago, Krakin said:

Are you sure you're using the G1000 C172? The steam gauge version does not have it. I'll test it again but the last time I took it for a spin, it did not behave like that for me. The thing is a pain to turn without differential braking because Asobo correctly limited the turn radius to 10 degrees and it doesn't really jump around. The iniA300 definitely does not behave that way either.

Interesting!  It was the G1000 version, but I have some time to spare today so I will fire up the sim and test the G1000 and steam gauge versions back to back.
I have also just downloaded the new A300 v10 update so I will give that a go also.

On 4/8/2024 at 8:45 PM, bobcat999 said:

I can't follow that Burt, but rather than go down the rabbit hole, I mean a lot of aircraft change direction instantly like they have a lack of inertia, or are you saying you think they feel correct?   

If you are a pilot, I will have to believe you, although a lot of videos I watch of aircraft making corrections on take off and landing show that there is more inertia, i.e., the change in direction to left or right is gradual, it builds, it doesn't just do a near instantaneous flip to left or right like some aircraft in MSFS.

The lack of inertia feel might be subtle, but it is there.  Even FSX and P3D had it better I think.  This has been widely discussed, which is why Asobo are trying to make it feel better by adding tweaks in SU15 beta.

Some aircraft like the A2A Comanche feel better, but this is probably due to their flight model being external to the sim, or else they have found some in sim tweaks to use.

No rabbit hole......Im not saying MSFS is correct and its not really anything to do with me being a pilot, it's basic mechanical physics

Saying they lack an illusion is of inertia is one thing, but saying that lack of inertia makes them more prone to tipping over (this was in the context of ground maneuvering remember), is incorrect.

That's all I said, you can read as much stuff that wasnt said into it as you like

 

28 minutes ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

No rabbit hole......Im not saying MSFS is correct and its not really anything to do with me being a pilot, it's basic mechanical physics

Saying they lack an illusion is of inertia is one thing, but saying that lack of inertia makes them more prone to tipping over (this was in the context of ground maneuvering remember), is incorrect.

That's all I said, you can read as much stuff that wasnt said into it as you like

OK Burt.   It is just that I never mentioned anything about them tipping over.  Did you confuse me with someone else?  That is probably why I couldn't follow what you said to me. 

Edit:  Ah!  I got it!  When I said "just turn the tiller and over they go", I didn't mean tip over, I just meant over they go to the left or right instantly, as in change direction instantly - like they have no inertia.   

So no problem, just a misunderstanding based on the words.