2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Time for a quick market study, "Business Jets" category in the Org store:

1. The "XP11 only, no support, no future" bracket:

- X-Crafts Legacy 650: $50.
- Netavio Citation CJ4: $50.
- Carenado Citation 550 or Falcon 50EX: $40.
- Carenado Phenom 100: $38.
- RW Designs Cessna Mustang: $30.
- DDenn Challenger 300: $20.
- X-Hangar Citation XLS: $20.
 

2. The "officially working in XP12" bracket:

- AirSim3D Citation 650XL: $70.
- Aerobask Phenom 300: $50.
- AKD GLF 550 or 650: $45.
- MSGier PC-24: $27.
- X-Hangar G550 or Learjet 36: $23.

(X-Crafts Legacy 1000 not considered, but likely $80.)

 

I think that's a pretty comfortable market position. The $5 difference to the Phenom 300 is your less polished visuals.

 

P.S: The 550 is 25% off at the moment. Would be a crying shame if that didn't gloss over some..."definciencies" in visuals on an otherwise solidly executed aircraft...

This is only true if you limit yourself to just one type of aircraft or one simulator, or if you force yourself to buy a substandard addon.

Once again, you guys are making the mistake of focusing on the specific PRICE rather than the VALUE.

As I said above, if i want to fly high and fast AND look good, I'll stick with my Colimata Concorde (or his recent F-104, which is a real beauty and a genuine challenge to operate). If I want to go more for a biz jet vibe with deeper systems, I'll stick with my Flight Factor C-32, which has been nicely updated for XP v12. Or if I want a new challenge, I can get the Rotate MD-80 - which is just a few dollars MORE than the AKD, AND it looks very good.

Or if we're going to talk about sale prices, I'll spend $50 on the FF 764 or the Felis 742.

Get it? There's simply no compelling reason to get the AKD given all the similarly priced competition that deliver balanced fidelity and graphics.

And I don't even have to bring up TOS or addons therein.

 

Edited November 5, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta

8 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I flew an IFR flight plan from one airport to another. And once I reached the destination, I taxied around to the active and ran a few patterns in it. It's fine, believe me.

And yeah, I do happen to hold an IRL PPL, nothing special, tho, but yes, I'm quite familiar with how aircraft handle.

Exactly what I thought. „It‘s fine“ because the plane flew and moved on the ground? Try the following: fly it empty and then with full weight. Tell me if you notice any significant difference in the inertia (assuming you know what inertia is - otherwise google it)

9 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Sigh...you keep looking at this from the perspective of a frustrated sales person, instead of a prospective buyer.

It matters not one bit what you think your price should be, it only matters what your customers will pay.

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I did and have answered that, repeatedly: AKD either needs to improve their graphics to match their price point, similar to Aerobask/Colimata/AirFoil Labs/et al, or they need to lower their price. There's any number of ways to go about it, but I personally would find some hungry young 3D artist and offer them a cut of the action to bring the cockpit lighting and textures up to par.

Not really; I keep looking at it from an economical point of view where both parts are involved. Included in that thought is that a dev has to be able to cover his costs. Stating he just has to do more work for the same price is not an answer to that. It‘s just wishfull thinking that doesn‘t really work in reality because if that was the case we wouldn‘t have much devs left (meaning less choice for products).

Just imagine your boss telling you to do more work but where paying you less.

But all this got movement at the station.

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by mjrhealth

10 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Or if we're going to talk about sale prices, I'll spend $50 on the FF 764 or the Felis 742.

Same could be said for the FF767: compared to the Felis it doesn‘t offer the same „quality“ (a word that by the way is a very individual thing you will certainly agree with), yet you don‘t find it overpriced compared to the Felis…why not?

17 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

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Whatevs. Do what you want. I'm out.

9 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Exactly what I thought. „It‘s fine“ because the plane flew and moved on the ground? Try the following: fly it empty and then with full weight. Tell me if you notice any significant difference in the inertia (assuming you know what inertia is - otherwise google it)

This thread is about the AKD product and whether it's worth the asking price, not about X-Plane vs MSFS.

I've dialed back the comparisons to only X-Plane add-ons, so let's get back in topic.

If you want to continue the debate over the A310, create a.post over in the MSFS forum and I'll be happy to carry in with you there.

8 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Not really; I keep looking at it from an economical point of view where both parts are involved. Included in that thought is that a dev has to be able to cover his costs. Stating he just has to do more work for the same price is not an answer to that. It‘s just wishfull thinking that doesn‘t really work in reality because if that was the case we wouldn‘t have much devs left (meaning less choice for products).

No, you're using one substandard developers over-priced work to prognosticate for an entire group of people.

Why is it you mis-believe the fundamental truth that no one is entitled to a certain level of compensation, and that we should buy their work just because it's on a particular flight sim?

There are plenty of X-Plane devs who are capable of delivering uniformly High Fidelity add-ons that both function well AND look good, and they charge a relatively competitive price for their work. I've given multiple examples thereof.

I know because those are the x-plane add-ons I buy.

I won't support developers who don't meet those standards, and no one should be campaigning for them.

AKD's work so far proves that their quality isn't where it needs to be.

And don't forget, I'm a person who has a fairly deep emotional desire to buy a Gulfstream. I really WANT to buy it, but I'm just not going to reward substandard work.

If AKD brings their work up to par with other Hi Fi devs, I'll be happy to reconsider it at that time.

8 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Just imagine your boss telling you to do more work but where paying you less.

But all this got movement at the station.

This statement is a Red Herring.

A more accurate analogy would be: Just imagine that my boss expects me to perform at the same level as my co-workers, and isn't willing to give me a raise until I do.

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7 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Same could be said for the FF767: compared to the Felis it doesn‘t offer the same „quality“ (a word that by the way is a very individual thing you will certainly agree with), yet you don‘t find it overpriced compared to the Felis…why not?

You think FF's NEW 767-400 is NOT the same quality as the Felis? 

You're sadly mistaken.

My point is that if I'm going to spend $50, I'm going to spend it with a developer who gives me at least $50 of value.

Felis and Flight Factor do.

AKD does not.

AKD is not the best developer out there and is a new developer compared to other developers. But their plane is pretty good and maybe it needs a little more development and they will get there.

What nobody evaluates about developers is their support. And if their plane is very good but their support is bad and arrogant, the plane becomes a medium quality plane. For example FF. I don't like FF and their support is deplorable. FF planes don't seem surprising to me at all. AKD is failing me with their support because they don't answer either. And the lack of support makes the good image of a developer go down a lot in my opinion.

 

Example:   https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/320186-vnav-not-working-properly/   And if you take a few minutes to look at other, much more recent requests, they have already been answered or resolved.

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

This statement is a Red Herring.

A more accurate analogy would be: Just imagine that my boss expects me to perform at the same level as my co-workers, and isn't willing to give me a raise until I do.

No its not, you wont work for less, and what you may  consider good work, is just an opinion. You cant demand of others what you wont do yourself.

The other thing for new developers is finding efficiencies, once they have enough experience it will come. Its a huge learning curve.

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

This thread is about the AKD product and whether it's worth the asking price, not about X-Plane vs MSFS.

I've dialed back the comparisons to only X-Plane add-ons, so let's get back in topic.

If you want to continue the debate over the A310, create a.post over in the MSFS forum and I'll be happy to carry in with you there.

You were the one denying any difference and brought it up. I just corrected you. But let‘s move on.

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

No, you're using one substandard developers over-priced work to prognosticate for an entire group of people.

We already told you that they are not overpriced simply because it has bad textures, knowing the systems seems to be really good. So what you consider overpriced is only your own opinion and not a general truth. If you think it is too expensive although you wish such an addon and prefer to not buy it at all, only because of that part, we are back to my first comment.  And that makes me shake my head, exactly like I was stating in my initial comment. Because it makes me question some people‘s motivation for using a sim. You confirmed that point, so let‘s close that discussion. I didn‘t want to make you change your mind but at least now I know that indeed there are such reasonnings around. Thanks.

1 hour ago, Guido1996 said:

AKD is failing me with their support because they don't answer either. And the lack of support makes the good image of a developer go down a lot in my opinion.

This I can understand much better. A dev not answering a support-request is a red-flag.