Franz007

The decision to postpone the survey doesn‘t make any sense to me other than that. I cannot see another reason than artificially trying to not make 2024 look bad, whatever the reason behind it may be. They never had a problem doing it when other sims were new/unstable and having issues. The survey is supposed to show exactly that: an evolution over time. The fact that 2020 may still have more users than 2024 is simply the reality, exactly as it was the reality for other sims that needed time before becoming more popular. By doing that, they are breaking the whole base of having a solid and consistent survey over time. Which reasons other than some kind of dependancy (whatever those may be) for that decision do you see and how would you explain the fact that they never postponed it when other sims were in that same situation?

That’s pretty amazing to be able to use that function together with SayIntention! Wuaw, I did not expect that tbh.

How bad but not a big surprise...when XP got released as an early-beta and wasn't very stable they didn't postpone it. But when it is the monopolist (that can buy everything they want, even for not having to deal with bad reviews or a survey) of course it gets postponed....this is a big joke but doesn't surprise me a bit tbh. Unfortunately it shows how biased the community has become and who is steering in the background. Navigraph-folks must have many friends over there...

No rush! Cheers 😃

Looking at your profile-picture I think I may have discovered where the issue with your eyes are 😉

I once had a very funny conversation with such a guy claiming that he had those data and claimed that XP‘s flighmodel was bad in many aspects and MSFS (2020) better after measuring them against those data. He said this was objective because of the measured data and so could be seen as „facts“. He also said he was a test-pilot and could judge it better than many professional pilots (who btw. all - as I told him - came to the conclusion than XP‘s flightmodel was the best for airliners after comparing both sims). As I asked him to show these data he had allegedly measured, he argued with the usual „I don‘t have to show it to you because I am not here to educate you“. You can guess in which forum on avsim that happened…

Sorry if I missinterpreted you.

So what does it miss in your opinion for a « realistic » simulation?

I think no one here can answer that. Have you thought about asking Austin?

I guess you meant "FSX"? 😉

I just made a flight with it. Wuaw! Absolutely fantastic. Great update.

@brinx Yes in aerospace engineering, not within a desktop-sim in realtime. That‘s why it doesn‘t apply for desktop sims and may not be better than BET at the end, when we are talking about a realtime simulation on a desktop PC.

I don‘t think one is better than the other, both have pros and cons. So I would expect about similar results with both methods. Although in theory CFD should be better. But just in theory. I can guarantee you that what is being run on your computer when you are flying with MSFS is not the industrial/professional type of CFD (where the Navier-Stokes equations are being solved). MSFS would have to solve this at every instance for multiple airframe components and then integrate all of the forces in real time. I think MSFS runs something called "panel lattice method" which is a very quick linear calculation. I think X-Plane also runs something similar. I'm glad everyone is excited about the use of CFD in their prefered sim but I feel like it is not being explained very well by Asobo and it's mostly hype/marketing. Not trying to burst anyone's bubble as i myself would love to see technology get to point where we can simulate that in real time but it takes 2-3 hours on 250+ solver cores to run a true 3d static (single point) solution.

I cannot really compare to 2020 but made just some very few first flights with 2024 and the C172. Having 30h of IRL-experience with the C172. My first reaction is that the flight-feeling felt pleasantly good and natural and close to what I would expect in rea. However I have not been very convinced about the performance and will have to test that further. DUring my very first few short flights, it felt pretty overpowered and my landings were extremely floaty. During approach at around 500fp, flaps 3 and on idle, it started to accelerate when we should be able to keep it more or less at constant speed with 1500 rpm in landing configuration at 60 kts IAS. But I don't know if that is because of a bug with the weather or something else.

Yes compared to MSFS it’s very easy to configure your controlls and start a first flight. I wouldn’t have chosen XP11 but XP12 who is way more advanced and is still being developped and improved.