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I haven't read too much discussion. I haven't seen any movement on NVIDIA, 169.21 is still the latest. ACES (Phil Taylor) indicates it is a NVIDIA Driver problem. Just thought I would prod the subject again to see if anyone has made any progress. I have the 7X series not 8.GEX, does it help the blurries problem? Barry

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My experience with blurries is to pull back display sliders a little and set the anisotropic filtering in the nVidia control panel or nHancer to 16x. Everything is in sharp detail for as far as can be seen out the cockpit window. GEX doesn't apply to blurries, except for reducing autogen thereby reducing the load on the computer.ArtNow flying with: Biostar TF560-A2+, Athlon 64X2-6000+, 4GB RAM, Geforce 8800GTS-320MB, 500W PSU, 250GB HD, FSX (SP1-SP2), Vista Home Premium

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My experience with blurries is to pull back display sliders a little and set the anisotropic filtering in the nVidia control panel or nHancer to 16x. Everything is in sharp detail for as far as can be seen out the cockpit window. GEX doesn't apply to blurries, except for reducing autogen thereby reducing the load on the computer.>> Art, I tried what you suggested, and it helped a little, but I am still not getting the clarity of FS9. The anoscopic setting of 16x causes weird illumination of the runway / VASI lighting. I am not sure what the word is for it, some lighting enhancements for FS9 did this glow effect to the runway lighting.I wonder if anyone has conquored the blurries with the NVIDIA 7XXX video card w /256 MB RAM.My system is not top of the line but not the bottom either. AMD Dual Core 5600 with 4GB RAM.Thanks!Barry

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>My experience with blurries is to pull back display sliders a>little and set the anisotropic filtering in the nVidia control>panel or nHancer to 16x. Everything is in sharp detail for as>far as can be seen out the cockpit window. GEX doesn't apply>to blurries, except for reducing autogen thereby reducing the>load on the computer.>>>>>> Art, I tried what you suggested, and it helped a little,>but I am still not getting the clarity of FS9. The anoscopic>setting of 16x causes weird illumination of the runway / VASI>lighting. I am not sure what the word is for it, some>lighting enhancements for FS9 did this glow effect to the>runway lighting.>>I wonder if anyone has conquored the blurries with the NVIDIA>7XXX video card w /256 MB RAM.>>Sure I have solved blurries on my rig with a 7800GT card.Which 7xxx card do you have? You don't say. If you have a 7600, or 7300, then you will have to pull sliders way back to eliminate blurries. Those are lower-end cards and compromises will have to be made with them.On the other hand, if you have a 7800 (GT or GTX) then you can eliminate blurries without resorting to massive slider pullbacks. All it takes is a little sensible slider adjustment and a clean driver install.Without knowing what 7xxx card you have, it's hard to put a beat on it.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>My experience with blurries is to pull back display sliders a>little and set the anisotropic filtering in the nVidia control>panel or nHancer to 16x. Everything is in sharp detail for as>far as can be seen out the cockpit window.Lucky you. I just can't get it done with my E6600, 8800GTX and 2 Gb ram on Vista 32. Whatever I do (I just went through the whole routine again that NickN posted elsewhere), I keep on having textures loading at the moment I almost pass them. Why I look into the distance I only see blurred textures. (I even went as far as coompletely reinstalling Vista and completely formatting all my drives before installing FSX... No luck. Even with all sliders to the left (apart from the ones that influence the texture res of course) I get blurries... But well, I guess it's something I simply have to accept. Anyway, there is no ONE solution to get the blurries gone!

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No, that is incorrect.I have never indicated nVidia has anything to do with the blurries in either of the blog posts I have made.You have read both of those, right? Including the more recent one after Acceleration and SP2 shipped right?

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Let me show it once more: who knows someone suddenly has the golden solution. ;)These are the FSX settings (for this test!):http://i32.tinypic.com/2rhb4fa.jpghttp://i29.tinypic.com/2vxlvlw.jpghttp://i27.tinypic.com/eb5vo4.jpghttp://i30.tinypic.com/2h3rntj.jpghttp://i27.tinypic.com/2qum9p2.jpgWell, yo can't get much lower (without disabling high res textures altogether!)And here you can see where the textures still haven't loaded: everything above the red line is not yet high res (I had to resize the pic, but believe me: it's not high res). So as you can see I can NOT see everything in sharp detail for as far as can be seen out of the cockpit window...http://i30.tinypic.com/28bv3vk.jpgBut as I said, apparently my computer (E6600, 8800GTX, 2 Gb Ram, Vista 32 bits, latest drivers of everything) just can't handle it... The FSX settings are extremely low and still no luck. Weird thing is that this late loading of the textures also happens with every slider to the other side...!!! As said, I have followed NickN's settings to the letter, but my computer (which I bought a year ago, mainly for FSX) just can't get it done.I do have to say though that I enjoy FSX nevertheless. I just purchased UTX Europe and I'm having a blast. But everytime a topic like this comes up I think 'Bummer... why can't I get those nice, sharp, crispy graphics...?!?!?!?!?'

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Blurries are a result of one, or, several items in combination and can have several possibilities for fixing. This is a copy of a post I made from Phils blog which runs down how I have corrected these issues on many systems:=================================================Every system I have worked with, my own and others who have requested assistance, that has displayed some version of the blurries was fixed the same way. One/all or a combination(s) of the following 10 steps...1. If applicable, get the system OFF of RAID-0 unless it

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J van E,I see you still have AA and AF set on in the FSX menu.Following Nick's instructions you should have it set to off in FSX and force it with a new profile in nhancer.I have very similar screens to what Nick has shown above. It can be done.Do you use O&O defrag? I have found that makes a BIG differnce.Glenn

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That is correct GlennWhen I post settings and routines its becuase they have been very well tested and the results are typically linear in natureAA should be OFF and AF set to TRILLINEAR in the FSX graphics settings with Nv cards and Nhancer and the setup I posted.Hardware CAN respond differently, on different setups however those settings are the best I can offer and typcially are the best for anyone running a Nv adapterI also still use the beta 169.13 drivers because i have yet to find a better one for 8800 cards in FSX but THAT CAN vary MUCH MORE than the settings.. the settings are always the same and I set Vsync to FORCE ON in the Nv driver control becuuse V/s had issues with newer Nv drivers and FSX.If you are not popping more than 60FPS, set it to ONFRAME LOCK is subjective to the system. FSX shows some strange results under a load... typically at places such as NYC, LAX, Seattle, UNLIMITED is MUCH smoother where low load areas such as the desert or other bush or low urban scenery flights, set and LOCK to between 22 and 30 due to surges that create stutters (jumps from 58+ down to 25 and back up in frames) ... I lock at 30

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Thanks for reacting, but when I turn FSAA off in FSX, I simply have NO FSAA... I DID force it with a new (duplicated) profile. Maybe I should go back to some older drivers: next thing on my list. ;) (I use the last official ones now, 169.25) but I did test older drivers before I reinstalled Vista, without good results.I have used O&O before my last reinstall, and that didn't help at ALL, so I didn't use it now, I have to say..... I thought that installing FSX on a freshly formatted driver, immediately after installing Vista (on a formatted drive) should help a little, but it doesn't. I could try the whole O&O routine again, but as I said, it didn't help before. It just seems as if something is holding things up and I don't know what.Mind you, I have good fps and everything is fine: the ONLY problem is that the high res textures load too late (well, in my opinion anyway).

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I will say this... First of all, I do not react.. I state facts and that is the 2nd time you have posted I am reacting. I would appreciate it if you would stop reading my mind. LOLA little knowledge of human psychology can lead to dangerous asumptions if not tempered with a professional education and developed practice in the subject.2nd, O&O is not anywhere near as affective in Vista as it is with XP and I do not use Vista for FSX for several reasons, formost tuning, and how much easier XP is to tune. I am however working an a VISTA tuning list and will post it when i have confirmed it will be correct for everyone to useLast, if you are not getting 8xAA then there is something wrong.. the Nhancer list does work as long as you follow the directions, unless, Nvidia has seen fit to break it again with the latest driversYou can also try this... remove the file: nvapps.xml from the Windows system32 directory (back it up) and start Nhancer, set up as laid out and also FSX settings... see if that fixes the AAnvapps.xml is the file that saves the profiles.. do not let Nhancer replace it or the profiles when it is runEDIT: There is also a copy of that file in Documents and SettingsAll UsersApplication DataNVIDIA which you may want to remove to a safe locationmake sure to reboot before starting and setting up Nhancer in both casesRestore the files if that does not work

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First of all: if you check my post, you will see I was reacting to post #8, gjharral's post. That my post ends up underneath yours (I really er... don't like this forum's software!!!) doesn't mean it was a reaction on your post. I did read your post, but I simply took notice of it and didn't react on it. I can't read your mind, and I think we both are very happy about that. :( Okay, now this is all clear... ;)....let me continue that I just installed the 196.13 drivers (after using Driver Sweeper and all) and also this driver does NOT give me FSAA when forced. I still have to enable FSAA in FSX. That's NOT good, but maybe we are on to something here, because this IS weird... I will remove nvapps.xml and see what happens, but when I started up nHancer after installing the drivers, all settings had reset, to I don't expect anything new from this...I don't have much time left so maybe I won't be back on this tomorrow. Thanks so far for all reactions AND stated facts! ;)

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LOL!Now that -WAS- a reaction on my part even though I dont see any reacting on Glenns part, but mine was based on the forum software and not seeing the list number! Ha! So that one is on me and I wil be the first to admit it... I assumed based on the list. Shame on me LOLGive that a try and see if it fixes the problem...you really do need to have 8xS enabled if at all possibleIt helps, nothing is a miracle cure.. its the combination of all the right things that produces the results

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:( ;)Last update for today: no luck. FSAA still won't work without enabling it in FSX. And btw even without FSAA the textures load late. Still, I do think I have something to focus on now! It IS strange however that I just installed Vista from scratch and have the same problem... Maybe it's hardware related, I don't know. We'll see... or not.

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hmmmmmStrangeI'll tell you what I will do, just for you I will throw the issue out to the beta hardware groups I post and check-in with and see if I get anything back about it. If I get any possible fixes, I will post themI assume you did get all the VISTA updates installed and updated DirectX as needed.. I know the 169.13's (beta) work but I dont know about VISTA because i use an ATI adapter in VISTA (momma didn't raise a dummy... LOL) Besides, I was testing the X2 ATI card over the last 2 months and decided I did not want to deal with Nv on that box so I left it there till my next card test session.You can get all the drivers at www.Guru3d.com

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Nick NI usually try to stay away from commenting on hardware/software posts since I usually find them to be very misleading.and whenever I post even as an individual responding to something I get accused of advertising.But this time I felt compelled to respond. I'd be more than happy to take up your challenge regarding Quad cores etc......In fact I'll take the challenge using an AMD 6000+ processor (not overclocked) on an EVGA 8800GT SC card with 2GBs DDR2 on a EVGA 590 SLI MoBo.and to further that I'll do it on a single drive with FSX installed in its default location.and to even further that I'll do it with my video card and enhancer settings and not yours.and I'll use every available (read compatible to Accel/SP2} add-on on the market today.Why you might ask?1) Because of the fact that what you state as fact (and I respect your knowledgw) is actually highly subjective and in my experience of serving quite a few clients world wide open to a lot of question and debate.2) Because the original question included a screenshot from within the cockpit it should not have been answered with an exterior shot (which can be manipulated as to distance and angle).There is a lot more in your post that I could talk about but let's just start with this.I'll match your framerates with equal or greater sliders (sorry no light bloom I can't stand it}.and I'll match your clarity in screenshots.Yours,Michael Greenblattwww.fs-gs.com

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J van EWhen you force the AA and AF through nhancer and turn it off in FSX, the preview window before you load a flight often shows no AA applied. It will apply in the actual flight though.This isn't what is happening to you by any chance is it?Also, how many sevices do you have running in Vista? Lot's of exe's running, toolbars and that sort of thing seem to play havoc with any version of FS, especially FSX. With your setup I see no reason why you wouldn't be getting better performance.What do you have texture_bandwidth_multi set to? I have mine on 60 which seems to work well from the stock of 40 with 8800 series cards.I'm sure we can get this all figured out for you. Certainly with Nicks help anyway......Then you can enjoy the visuals that GEX nhanced provides!Glenn

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Michael, I wont even go there with you, because I am not about, as you say, "mine is bigger than yours", and, I am not going to get into a conversation that has a service involved which deals directly with tuning a system for several reasons.. that challenge will become advertising that I will not support.Your methods are different than mine and there is nothing wrong with that, and, I never said a dual core or lesser hardware was bad or could not produce good images.You wish to imply I am 'faking" or making things seem better in my shot by tricks? That

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>LOL!>>Now that -WAS- a reaction on my part even though I dont see>any reacting on Glenns part, but mine was based on the forum>software and not seeing the list number!This is a prime example of reaction to a non-standard use of terminology...In this instance I'm quite confident that that wherever "J van E" has used the word "react" (or any variation of same) he -in fact- means "response," or perhaps "reply..." :-bigangel For example, while the following are all syntactically correct, the perception/interpretation by the reader is not synonymous:Thank you for your reply... (perception of gratitude)Thank you for your response... (ambiguious, but likely positive)Thank you for your reaction... (perception of sarcasm, hostility)Given the context of the current interchange, the use of the word "react" takes on a negative connotation......it is perceived by many (most?)native English speakers as an expression of irritation and/or mild hostility. :-lol Whenever one is engaged in a discussion on an international forum, it is often wisest to factor in such possibilities before hitting the "Post Message" button... :-beerchug

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Well, I am not behind my FSX computer anymore, so I can't test things, but luckily I can still visit this forum. ;)First of all, NickN, thanks so far AND in advance for the help!@Glenn: In actual flight there is no FSAA. I know that the preview window isn't a good testing environment. ;)Vista is installed normally and I've added no toolbars (Dashboard (or whatever it is called) is turned off, theme is Classic, indexing is off), so I have done the simple things to make Vista more light, but I have not spend much time on checking services. Only the default ones are running. I don't use AV software too, so...About the texture_bandwith_etc: I remember Phil Taylor saying these settings have become redundant (if that is the right word: English is not my native language). AFAIK editing cfg's like this isn't really necessary anymore.

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LOLIts not a problem Bill and there is more to it than that because there was a post where the use of the word "reacting" was applied to one of my responses (J van E knows what I am taking about)So the combination of that past post, and, the fourm software, and, my assuption because I did not see the list correctly, led to that comment on my part and I did apologize although probably not as well as I should have.No problem, J van E and I are just fine,.. even though we sometimes go at each other LOL!and i do see your point about international differences in terminology... noted :)

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LOLA minute before reading this, I posted in another message that English is not my native language... :( Hence the er... confusion. Maybe I should add a signature to my posts stating that 'English is not my native language! Anything that can be taken in a negative way is due to the fact that I am NOT a native English speaker!!!' ;)In MY country 'reacting' is quite positive btw. ;) Anyway, thanks for the very interesting lesson (seriously!), because I didn't know about this.EDIT:BTW This post was a er... reply (!) to Bill's post! Even though it ended up underneath NickN's post. :( ;) Considering the events from earlier this evening, I though it would be wise to add this... :)Sometimes forums can be big fun! ;)

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>LOL>>A minute before reading this, I posted in another message that>English is not my native language... :( Hence the er...>confusion. Maybe I should add a signature to my posts stating>that 'English is not my native language! Anything that can>be taken in a negative way is due to the fact that I am NOT a>native English speaker!!!' ;)>>In MY country 'reacting' is quite positive btw. ;) >>Anyway, thanks for the very interesting lesson (seriously!),>because I didn't know about this.>>EDIT:>BTW This post was a er... reply (!) to Bill's post! Even>though it ended up underneath NickN's post. :( ;) Considering>the events from earlier this evening, I though it would be>wise to add this... :)>>Sometimes forums can be big fun! ;)http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/185304.gif

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