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Need opinion on the Wilco CRJ for FSX!!!!!

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Hello Gang!I've seen al the fanfare about the Wilco CRJ200/700/900 package for FSX. Is it any good??????? Should I stick with the Posky and default FSX CRJ or is this a wothy package??????Thanks for any input!Sincerely,Dennis D. Mullert

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For me, the lack of a dedicated support forum by Wilco is a show stopper, since it's almost impossible the get any user feedback on how it works in FSX.

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yes, no telling how long Feelthere will support the product (depending on contract duration with Wilco). At some stage they'll shut down support and Wilco will just keep telling people to go to Feelthere anyway.And Wilco will continue selling the product well after that.

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I'll never buy from them again after getting the Citation X. It's not a bad product but I had some issues and felt that I was doing the tango everytime I went to Wilco/Feelthere for some support...contact Wilco, they contact Feelthere, Feelthere contacts Wilco, Wilco sends me an email and so on....Brent

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>Ulf,>>Your 'url's failed mateSorry :-hmmm You'll find the posts if you do an advanced search with Wilco CRJ.There is a lot of posts OT.Ulf B

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>all questions on how to fly and use feelThere designed>aircraft can be asked in this forum ->>http://www.iemit.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=27>>>saying there is 'no forum' and 'no support' is a LIE!This is from the forum 'rules' for that link:Dear Folks,This forum is to discuss general questions about how to fly an airplane and ask queastions from other members, pilots. This is NOT a technical support forum and please don't expect answers from feelThere members. Please do not use it for technical support or non ariplane specific questions. This is not a general discussion and topics not related to the forum will be removed without notice.We suggest starting each topic with the name of the specific airplane such as "737 - how to fly a correct approach" , etc.I hope with this forum we help you either further to enjoy flight simming.Thank youVic & teamThis is from the old CRJ Forum, whos last post is Dec 2004:Dear Folks,The CRJ was developed by feelThere however it's a Wilco product. In the past 6 months we have answered most of the technical problems here on the forum. Our support contract with Wilco has been expired so I would like to ask you to send your support request to Wilco from now using Wilco's technical support form at www.wilcopub.comIt will not effect the ERJ forum since the ERJ is a feelThere product.Thank youVictor and the CRJ teamDraw your own conclusions

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>Draw your own conclusionsthe facts -if you have what you believe is a 'bug' you must report this through wilco's support form (http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=support_form). why? #1 this give the programmers full data on the user's system which is very helpful for IDing problems; #2 this give the programmers information that shows how issues are manifesting in a database format verses pulling that information from a forum where posts are spread across pages and pages and pages and pages; #3 only bugs reported by licensed users will be researched.the 'unofficial' forum is for questions on how to fly feelThere designed aircraft. it is for asked questions on how the operate the aircraft functions and how to work within the simulation code (FS's and the products). the vast majority of questions are on procedures and function - NOT CTDs and other 'bugs'.even so the above rules above are 'soft' in their enforcement. many 'bugs' are discussed with solutions found in the 'unofficial' forum.--

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>>Draw your own conclusions>>the facts ->>if you have what you believe is a 'bug' you must report this>through wilco's support form>(http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=support_form). >why? #1 this give the programmers full data on the user's>system which is very helpful for IDing problems; #2 this give>the programmers information that shows how issues are>manifesting in a database format verses pulling that>information from a forum where posts are spread across pages>and pages and pages and pages; #3 only bugs reported by>licensed users will be researched.>>the 'unofficial' forum is for questions on how to fly>feelThere designed aircraft. it is for asked questions on how>the operate the aircraft functions and how to work within the>simulation code (FS's and the products). the vast>majority of questions are on procedures and function - NOT>CTDs and other 'bugs'.>>even so the above rules above are 'soft' in their enforcement.> many 'bugs' are discussed with solutions found in the>'unofficial' forum.>>>--I've drawn a conclusion from your answer: It's NOT a lie to say that the FeelThere/Wilco CRJ has no support forum. It's true that there are several unofficial support forums on the web, but none is official.Ulf B

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Ulf B (and others):the http://www.iemit.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=27 is official support - from myself, eric, vic, alex, wilco, etc. all persons/entities that are connected with the feelThere designed aircraft.'unofficial' in this case relates to there will not be 'bug tracking' nor 'bug solutions' chased using the forum. for products with a locked forum bugs MUST be reported using wilco's support form (unless noted by the programmers - vic, alex, eric, etc.)what would be more official - you paying for my/vic/alex/eric/etc's airline ticket, rental car, meals, hotel etc for us to provide support in your home ;).the forum is feelthere's.the support is provided by feelthere.the forum is 'official' developer provided support.--

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Scoob,Supportforum available? In theory no, but in practise yes. I'll alter my conclusion to: Who gives a #### if it's official or not. If it satisfies the majority of the customers, then it's ok. I shouldn't have posted in this thread.Over time I've been the victim of buying one really bad aircraft add on. This company had a support forum where respones from the developer(s) where fast. The forum support was excellent, but the aircraft never flew as it should. Honestly, I'd prefer the other way around.Happy flying to you all!Ulf B :-)

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Scoob,Yes - you do have a forum where questions can be asked and sometimes answered, but - and that's a big but IMHO - the quality of many of those answers, as well as the attitude displayed, do not justify the use of the word SUPPORT in connection with that forum. Just my personal opinion - nothing less, nothing more.S

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Yeah, I had 5 obviously pre-sales questions that I wrote to their contact form. They made me submit it through their support form. I filled it out the best I could, even including info they did NOT deserve, like my street address. Still, I couldn't complete it because I don't own the product (serial #, exe name, etc.) and they still just wrote back "Please fill out the form completely."I told them to forget it, that I wouldn't buy it after that treatment and then they started giving me answers. (maybe it helped that I wrote "Forget it" 40 times in caps.)After that (finally getting the answers), I was willing to buy it, but after the feedback I've seen recently, I'm going to skip this company.

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It is a wonderful plane to fly in FSX, guys! It is a jet, it is more than less realistic, and it is the WINNER in the FPS. Amazing how FPS friendly IT IS in FSX, I don't know the secret, but it is the best performer. Load your FSX with GEX and UT and FEX etc, and enjoy them all flying in VC pit.Dirk.

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This product could be cataloged under "Opportunity knocked and no one heard it." One of the most popular regional jets in real life, and the only commercially available offering of a CRJ2 (read no competition), and they choose to develop it as a get-on-it-and-flight model (read incomplete FMS, many systems not modeled, even if the switch clicks). Since this product was introduced for FS9, how many competitor products have arrived? Answer, none. Why did Feelthere/Wilco chose not to improve/patch/upgrade it? Sure, the ERJ is probably equally popular, which they released in a more complete version, but they had no competition on the CRJ2, and they already had the base, though incomplete already out before they went the EJR route. In my humble opinion, that was a missed opportunity. Digital Aviation announced a CRJ2 some years ago, but the project remains incomplete (http://www.digital-aviation.de/l_html/aircraft_crj200_main.html). If you're interested in flying the CRJ2, consider the Project OpenSky free offering (http://www.projectopensky.com/downloads-index.php) combined with the SkyDecks commercial panel (http://www.sky-decks.com/sd-html_015.htm). Regards,Dave Vega

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Hey Dave!Thanks for your reply!I deducted the same thing. POSKY and SD panel. The only problem is that the SD panel for FSX is not yet available (I fly FSX). The other thing is that the POSKY CRJ flight model is very jerky/sensitive, although no big deal for us beast tamers. Can't wait for SD to release their CRJ panel for FSX.Sincerely,Dennis D. Mullert

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Wilcos products viz PIC 737 corrupt the xml.dll file and render other otherwise superb payware products unusable-eg Leveld 767 and PMDG 747.This issue was identified by PMDGs 747 team so I WILL NOT BE USING THEIR PRODUCTS "support" or no.Jay

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>>Draw your own conclusions>>the facts ->>if you have what you believe is a 'bug' you must report this>through wilco's support form>(http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=support_form). Which will lead to an email from Wilco telling you to go to Feelthere and post your support request in the "support forum", which tells you to go to Wilco and use the support form.I told you that before...That's the situation with the T7, I don't think it'll be any different with other products.

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example of 'lack of support' -http://www.iemit.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10346the above thread ends with this comment -[blockquote]...Regarding the CRJ700/900 slat display, there was a bug, which is now fixed. The fix will be available soon.Eric {marciano, one of the lead feelThere programmers}[/blockquote]looks like forum based support that is assisted by the data submitted from the wilco support form that confirms #1 only registered owners 'bugs' will receive the attention of programmers (not those with hacked/stolen copies); and #2 form provides full info needed by the programmers to solve the issue.--

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>example of 'lack of support' ->Yes. Lack of OFFICIAL support. Your link goes to an unofficial forum. Just like the PSS unofficial support forum.Come back with a link to a fresh official support post, please.Ulf B

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>>example of 'lack of support' ->>>>Yes. Lack of OFFICIAL support. Your link goes to an unofficial>forum. Just like the PSS unofficial support forum.>>Come back with a link to a fresh official support post,>please.>>Ulf B> How good is MSFS's official support forum btw?Dirk.

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>>How good is MSFS's official support forum btw?>>Dirk.Dirk.Edited: I don't know. What do you think?The Wilco CRJ doesn't have any OFFICIAL support forum. I don't care if MS or you doesn't have one. It's all about the simple fact that the Wilco CRJ doesn't have an official support forum. The same goes for PSS add ons. Simple fact.Good that you and mie may obtain support on avsim and other forums about products from MS, PSS, Feelthere, Wilco, Aerosoft, O&O, noVidia, etc.Ulf B

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