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Found a cause for MENU LOCKUPS in FSX

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Maybe you folks already know about this, but....I have never had a problem with the menus locking up....until now.I figured I did one tweak too many and this is what was causing these menu lock ups.Recently, I bought a 9800GX2 to go with my quad core Q6600, overclocked to 4.0ghz. After I installed the new card, I figured for once I'd try using the nVidia driver to control AA & AF instead of FSX taking care of it. In trying to figure why after all these years, the menus started locking up on me, I completely forgot about the changes I made. And even if I remebered what I did, no way I would of thought using nVidia AA & AF instead of the FSX enabled AA & AF would cause problems like this. Anyways, through fiddling around, I ended up setting the nVidia driver's AA & AF to "Application Controlled", and voila, no more menu lockups in FSX. Not believing my luck, I took off the "Application Controlled", set it back to AFx4 & AAx16. Menu lockups came back. Went back to "Application Contolled", no more menu lockups.

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What happens when you try the Nvidia setting to:. I have always had my drivers set to that option never had a menu problem running XP32 SP2.

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Well, the tweak seems to work for me. Tested FSX for an hour tonight with zero freezes, whereas previously if I used the menu with my mouse I'd last 5 minutes. So far so good!Cheers,Noel.

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I dont get the menu lock up and I let nhancer set my AA anf AF with AA turned off in FSX.

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>What happens when you try the Nvidia setting to:>. I have always had my>drivers set to that option never had a menu problem running>XP32 SP2.When I posted about the menu lockups, note that it was around 12:30 AM with only hours left before having to get up for work.Therfore, the only thing I had tested was the part where I don't allow nVidia to control the AA nor the AF. Only when I put back in the nVidia driver settings to let FSX control the AA & AF that the menu locks were gone.In surmising, it may not be both the AA & the AF that needs to be controlled by FSX. It could even be that when using the nVidia controlled AA & AF, the setting was too high. That also needs to be tested.It may be just the AA, or just the AF, or both that need to be "application controlled" or "enhanced application". Yet to be tested."Enhancing application control", in past memory, I remember having that on in the nVidia driver settings, and no menu lockups using that setting.

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>I dont get the menu lock up and I let nhancer set my AA anf>AF with AA turned off in FSX.Same here.

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I got lockups by using in-game AA settingsI got a new card and have not really run in full screen yet, still running in windowed mode. I use nHancer 8x aa and 16x af

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Thats twice someone has mentioned they avoided the menu lockups by utilizing the nVidia driver's AA/AF through nhancer. Still, the issue of enabling AA and/or AF DIRECTLY through the nVidia Control Panel is causing many to have FSX menu lockups. That issue remains. Thats very interesting why that is.Regardless, thanks for pointing out the "nHancer" route. I am still interested in seeing what Nvidia's own AA/AF can do in FSX. Looks like nHancer is the way to go. Achieving that DIRECTLY through the nVidia Control Panel is not. So thanks, very helpful info.Intel quad core Q6600 G0 overclocked @ 4.0 ghz (VID 1.21)ASUS P5K-E WiFiBFG 9800GX2Zalman 9700(2500rpm) coolerCoolMaster case w/750W PS3 X 26" Samsung monitorsNaturalPoint TrackIR Pro 4.0Saitek CYBORG evo flight stickSaitek Pro Flight rudder pedalsWindows XP Pro SP2FSX SP1(FSX SP1, best performance tweak out there for FSX)(FSX SP2. one of the best performance killers out there for FSX)(Windows Vista, also one of the best performance killers for FSX)UTX-Canada3DMark06 score: 24875

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XP 8800GT SP2- If I DO NOT run in windowed mode,which BTW runs as good as full screen, I will get a CTD.Same with my 7900gtx that I had earlier.I just had a total HD failure and reloaded EVERYTHING by scratch.Now I just have FSX plus all the addons you can imagine.I loaded Nhancer today but for some reason I cannot get it to remember FSX profile.Before the crash, I was having good luck but had to have both global and profile set the same or FSX ignored it.As is FSX looks good but runways and taxiways are jagged and moving.

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I found that putting the global setting for AA & AF to exactly those as my FSX profile setting in the Nvidia control panel gets rid of Full Screen menu lockups completly for me.Jim

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That is what fixed it for me as well. The global and the profile need to match exactly.

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This may help you with setting it up. It is from a post I found when I set mine up. I went with multisample AA 4x and set my AF in FSX to Biliniar. Worked best for meNOTE: These changes work for most but I can not say they will work best for everyone... Install and run Nhancer. It does NOT need to boot with Windows or have a tray icon since the service runs in the background and will properly influence the settings. When it is first run select NO to have it run with Windows or have it place an icon on the tray. With any driver above 163.xx Nhancer can no longer delete the profiles as it did in the past, instead the way you OVERRIDE the FSX and FS9 profiles is do the following: a. Scroll down the profile list until you find the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 (or) Microsoft Flight Simulator X profile. Click on it once to highlight it. Once it is highlighted, click the DUPLICATE button. You will get a message, select YES to complete the duplication. What that will do is DEACTIVATE the Nvidia profile and ACTIVATE your new duplicate. b. With the new profile in the list, make sure there is a bullet in PROFILE on the right. Go down the list on the right and select the following: AA: For FSX select SUPERSAMPLING and 8xS NOTE: Slower cards and systems in FSX, set to MUTISAMPLING and 4X or SUPERSAMPLING and 4xS Under the next box, check GAMMA CORRECTION DO NOT ENABLE THE SECOND SUPERSAMPLE FEATURE IN THIS AREA UNCHECK "ENHANCED AA" if it is checkedby default AF: CHECKED Bullet in: 16X VERTICAL SYNC: CHECKED, Bullet in: FORCE ON OPTIMIZATIONS Tab: Texture Filtering CHECKED Bullet in - High Quality Trilinear Opt CHECKED, Bullet in - Off Aniso. sample opt. CHECKED, Bullet in - Off Negative LOD BIAS, CHECKED, Bullet in - Clamp Check the next three items but do not change their values COMPATABILITY TAB: Place a CHECK in all header values but only change the following if needed: Force Mip-Maps = NONE Conformant Texture Clamp = ON Hi Dynamic Range HDR (Enabled)All others should be at their default values. Under the CPU Multicore Support, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF CPU YOU USE: FOR WINDOWSXP SET CPU TO SINGLE FOR WINDOWS VISTA SET CPU TO MULTICORE Repeat the above for any other game profile as you may need it. c. In the main Nhancer Window, set the bullet to GLOBAL Set the SAME settings on GLOBAL as you did above. Close Nhancer and reboot. d. Open the Nivida Control panel (right click desktop, select Nvidia Control Panel) Show the ADVANCED settings. Under Managed 3D, make sure the Multi Display Mixed GPU is set to SINGLE DISPLAY MODE if you are ONLY using one video card and monitor. If you use more than one, leave the setting on default Confirm Vertical Sync is indeed set to FORCE ONClick APPLY. FOR LCD: Under

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