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Catastrophic Frame Rate

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Just recently I started getting the dreaded BSOD at random times using both P3Dv5.4 and its chief rival platform. A clean-up of my computer and a re-seating (with renewed thermal paste) of my nVidia Geforce GTX 2080 Ti appeared to solve that problem.

However, now the P3Dv5.4 frame rate drops to 0.4 fps from about halfway through loading. This is independent of aircraft chosen, from default and also either PMDG and FSLabs aircraft models. The rest of the loading takes place veeery sloooowly, with the Flight Computer Initialization running at about 18 to 22 seconds per subscreen second.

Flying the rival platform (2020 version) I do not get any fps problem and get around 65 fps.

I have tried doing "repairs" to both P3Dv5 Professional and also P3Dv5.d Client without success. I get the feeling that either I have a corrupt file somewhere within P3D (but why wasn't that corrected during the "repair" procedures?) or is there a setting somewhere within P3D that has somehow changed. As you can see, my thinking is rather simplistic at this stage and I would appreciate some good guidance.

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Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

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  • roadrabbit149
    roadrabbit149

    Gents All, Progress at last! I did the recommended clean re-install procedure and this time I did not enable any of the many add-ons I have when I restarted P3Dv5.4. I also made no alteratio

  • No he didn't, he was missing the manual removal of the following folders: C:\Users\[YourAccountName]\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v5 C:\Users\[YourAccountName]\AppData\Roaming\Lock

  • Ray Proudfoot
    Ray Proudfoot

    Gents, if something was wrong in the BIOS it would affect all installed sims. MSFS is fine. P3D isn't. The problem lies in P3D, not the BIOS. @roadrabbit149, just disable Nvidia Overlay and

What was the error message?

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I am not getting any error message.

Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

I'd start by clearing out the shaders and letting them recompile.

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Reset shaders

Reset P3D config files

Run sfc /scannow from command window (Run as admin) … if you see errors, keep running sfc until it clears.

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Firstly, since previous, I have uninstalled P3Dv5.4 and done a 'clean' re-install. No improvement or error messages.

Have reset shaders, also deleted Prepar3D.cfg file. Have also carried out 'sfc /scannow check' with no error messages generated.

What puzzles me is that MS2020 works fine and gives 65 fps. I really would like my P3D to work as I am very attached (!) to my PMDG fleet of B747-400, B777 and B787, not to mention other well-known airliners and light aircraft..

Edited by roadrabbit149
additional info.

Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

Clean re-install as in removed P3D via add & remove programs then delete all five related folders from your drive?

Only other thing I can suggest is make sure you don’t have an nVidia profile setup for P3D, if you do delete it.

 

I use fsx /p3dv5 and msfs 2020 on the same pc all running smoothly at mostly ultra 60 fps . I use the nvidia studio reference drivers not the latest game versions. So I don't believe there is cross sim interference! 

For the record my install order was msfs - fsx - p3dv5. 

I also use a completely custom windows power plan setting using an app to unlock and save all the hidden options. I had to do that to get fsx smooth and stable in w11 but it also worked wonders for p3dv5. Looks and runs amazing. There are multiple cpu and gpu tweaks available in there. Windows really does like to slow your system down behind the scenes in so many ways. 

Russell Gough

SE London

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@roadrabbit149, what resolution is your monitor? What refresh rate is it set to?

Do you have VSync enabled in P3D and fps set to unlimited?

Please post the JOBSCHEDULER section of your Prepar3D.cfg.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Yes - that was how I did the 'clean re-install'.

I have looked in the nVidia App and I don't have a profile for Prepar3D. I did try and add P3D but I got message saying option was not available.

I have now also updated my nVidia Game Ready Driver to version 572.47

For more info I used the nVidia Game Overlay to check performance. Here are the results:

MS2020

FPS: 35/48   GPU: 72/80%   CPU: 25/26%   LAT: 53/72 ms

Prepar3D ver 5.4

FPS: N/A   GPU:  2%   CPU:   6%    LAT: N?A

Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

  • Author

Hi Ray,

Monitor resolution = 3840 x 2160 (native)

Refresh rate = 60 Hz

VSync = enabled

fps target = unlimited

Jobscheduler (from Prepar3D.cfg file) =

[JobScheduler]
AffinityMask=65535
P3DCoreAffinityMask=65535
MainThreadScheduler=0
RenderThreadScheduler=2
FrameWorkerThreadScheduler=4

When loading from scratch data entry window came up after 28 secs (fastest ever!) and Overlay shows:

FPS 35, GPU 1%, CPU 1%, LAT N/A.

Once data is entered and OK pressed, Overlay drops immediately to:

FPS N/A, GPU 5%, CPU 9%, LAT N/A.

As always, grateful for any assistance   😀

Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

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@roadrabbit149, that looks okay. Is P3D loading the sim directly or presenting the main menu from which you can choose aircraft, airport and time?

What is your default aircraft? If not the Piper Cub change to that, save the scenario as your default one and try again.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

chlive.php

FPS = N/A??

Can you list the folders you deleted for clean re-install?

2 hours ago, roadrabbit149 said:

When loading from scratch data entry window came up after 28 secs (fastest ever!) and Overlay shows:

Once data is entered and OK pressed, Overlay drops immediately to:

What “data entry window”?  What data are you entering?  Sorry, but you completely lost me here … do you have any context around this?

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12 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

FPS = N/A??

Can you list the folders you deleted for clean re-install?

What “data entry window”?  What data are you entering?  Sorry, but you completely lost me here … do you have any context around this?

I suspect he’s referring to the screen where you select aircraft, airport and date / time.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

chlive.php

  • Author

To clarify: yes, the sim is loading the sim from P3Dv5.4 screen icon, then after 28 seconds the Scenario screen appears asking for aircraft/airport/weather/ date and time. This is the window I referred to as the data entry screen.

The default aircraft (since I originally installed P3Dv5) has been an F35 at a US airbase in south central USA. I can change it, but I was always advised to leave the default aircraft to load up as given. Happy to take advice here.

Files deleted for a clean install were four: P3Dv5 Scenery, P3Dv5 Content, P3Dv5 Client and P3Dv5 Professional. There was no 5th file as previously described.

Regarding the N/A entries: these are what is displayed by the <nVidia In Game Overlay> when selected. When I select <Shift-Z> I get the actual readings of around 0.3 fps.

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Intel i9900K @ 3.60 GHz, nVidia RTX 2080i (11 GB RAM onboard),
32 GB RAM, 2TB HDD, 1TB SSD, 500 GB SSD, ASUSTek Tuf Z390-Plus Mobo
(LGA1151); Running P3Dv5.4, MSFS2020 and XPlane11;

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