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Cost of PMDG 747?

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Hi, I was looking at the PMDG 747 for FSX, very well-done. I think I saw a figure but was a little surpised. I believe it was roughly 60 euros? Is that correct? Roughly 100 USD?Is it worth it?

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When I bought it back in Oct it was 59 Euro's and I was charged $87.32. I would suspect it would be much more today and near $100. I think it's expensive for two aircraft (Cargo and Passenger versions) but one of those products I 'have' to have in my hanger as I respect PMDG's quality of work. For FSX, it requires a lot of computer power but it also comes in the FS9 flavor so you can still use it with older systems. Hope this helps.Best regards,Jim

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The PMDG 747 is one of those aircraft that once you own it, you may end up flying it almost exclusively of anything else (except maybe other PMDG aircraft). It does not respond well to casual use. It takes a long time to learn its work flows, but then it will reward you with realistic flights. Certainly, it's an investment, but the cost defrays hundreds of man-hours of development that goes into making the PMDG models. That and the more 747's you buy, the closer we may get to the FSX PMDG 737, which is what I am really waiting for! As with any add-on purchase, you have to weigh the cost versus the benefit. There are some sim pilots for whom price is no object, in which case, I would suggest that you get every PMDG product you can afford. They do win AVSIM Gold Stars and Readers' Choice awards year after year. However, if $100 seems steep to you (and it does to me), then you have to ask yourself how much you want to participate in very long haul flights with a very massive aircraft (of course, you can always make your own short-hop jumbo-jet commuter runs, but even so, this ride needs a lot of runway, so you're not likely to use it for the Cranbrook-to-Osoyoos casino run). If this is for you, then the PMDG should definitely be the queen of your skies. Eat Kraft Dinners for supper for a week or two until you save up the one hundred clams. Jeff ShylukAssistant Managing EditorSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM

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It's an amazing aircraft. If you like the challenge and details of flying a complex airliner, then it's as good as it gets. If you're more of a turn the key and fly type, you'll probably will regret the financial loss. Keep in mind they are about to release the MD-11 pretty soon, incase the 747 isn't your cup of tea. But I'm sure it won't be cheap either.Then comes the 737NG, which we are all waiting for. But these guys take FOREVER.

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You can buy the boxed FSX version from PC Aviator for a lot less.Link: http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewAProduct.php?pid=892Flash...you can obtain the product for $53.95 this weekend do to their Memorial Day Sale.The FS9 version was/is a great aircraft to fly...DarrylPS: I wish Aerosoft had a upgrade policy for their boxed product like PMDG had for the down-loadable version several months ago! :-hmmm

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Geez, that's less than I paid when the dollar was worth a lot more. Wonder if they have lowered the price to USA customers? I should mention, I have bought from PCAviator before, and they send out emails regularly with 10% discounts on the weekends. I don't know if there return policy is as good as Flight1's though?

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It's not really worth it for FSX. FSX is only useful if you fly out in the boonies in a Cub (not that there's anything wrong with that), otherwise the performance combined with the 747X is atrocious.

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>There you go again...This constant refrain of negativity from Alex (and others) is becoming more than a simple annoyance.It's like having a friend over for a party who's eaten too much cabbage before coming... :)

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Most people would agree with me when I say that a complex airliner like the PMDG does not have good performance in the sim.

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I wouldn't!! Could it be better, yes, but if you have a decent system config, you can still get an enjoyable flight!! Now if you are still on a P4 I would bypass this addon.

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Hmmm, thank you for your opinions. How does it fair performance wise compared to the LvlD 767 for FSX? I use that and it's pretty much not flyable in the big 10 airports. Maybe I will wait for the 737...

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Here is my problem-that is not what you said. You said " FSX is only useful if you fly out in the boonies in a Cub ".1) That is simply not true. It is extremely negative, however.In this thread below (http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=121&topic_id=445848&mesg_id=445848&page=:) you stated that the new Realityxp gps is responsible for the delay of the Dreamfleet Airbus.1) This is not true It is extremely negative, and had nothing to do with the thread or was helpful.In this case you got a verbal scolding from Lou from Dreamfleet. Are you hoping by your actions that Lou like Phil Taylor and the other great and helpful developers who visit our forum similarly get fed up and leave?So:1) you really are not providing help for your fellow simmers-either in knowledge or in manner.In line with the Phil Taylor thread who now chooses to not dialog with fellow simmers on a regular basis due to such negativity; the expressions of fellow simmers with unfamiliar names who lurk instead of joining because of such negativity,the fact that you did not use a real name for your account per avsim rules which require me to remove you, and your past history I pronounce you gone.....It is time we all get back to a better environment here. http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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"I pronounce you gone.....It is time we all get back to a better environment here."THANK YOU GEOFA!Although this one wasn't that bad, seems a good case for the straw that broke the camel's back (or pound that finally grounded the bird.)One question relative to the subject at hand: What are the limitations relative to purchasing the boxed version mentioned for the PMDG 747? Are all patches or updates negated by such a purchase or are they still available from PMDG?By reputation, this item obviously is a top of the line premium contribution, as are all of PMDG's. However, due to price I have chosen thus far to spread those funds out between other less expensive choices and fly the great freeware iFly 747 (NO, I am not equating the two, but I do think it is a dandy aircraft).However, at the recommended site and purchase price, I may rethink my options unless there is a negative side to the boxed version. Even if there are limitations, it still might be well worth the $$ relaively speaking.Respectfully:RTH

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Ummmmm?Where is the $53.95 link? All I see in the link above is $59.95 available May 30, 2008. (Another short between these old ears, or in this case may be eyes).Am I overlooking it, or is the $53.95 price gone?Thanks:RTHCorrection:During checkout, the $53.95 price is displayed (Isn't that a pleasant surprise?).Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the heads up.RTH

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I may or may not have answered my own question. In viewing the PMDG forum, my interpretation is that the boxed version will be released in five days, May 30, 2008 through Aerosoft. It will have all updates through that date. I guess it still does not answer whether future service packs or patches will be available for the boxed version, but if I understand correctly, it will be up to snuff for everything available at the present time.Happy flying:RTH

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On your system Ryan, it will run but the Level-D was really sorted out for FSX and was improved dramatically.The PMDG747X, on the other hand, is much more demanding but, useable if you don't VFR in it. ;)

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If a simmer is primarily interested in operating the airplane, the FS9 version is the better choice. Now that we have the 744-FS9 update, the only real difference with the FSX version is out-the-window eye candy. FSX runs great with the canned airplanes with sliders high (Can't get enough of that P51, skimmin' the Colorado river down in the Grand Canyon!). However with those same slider settings, coming down final nets ~ 15FPS over a dense urban area. I've started to challenge myself to see how much weight I can get onto a rural boondocks strip. Great fun. But flying a typical urban approach at 15FPS takes the 'feel' out of the airplane. That airplane is soo good an experienced simmer can feel its weight. It takes > 15FSP to bring that airplane to life. Autoland is still an option, but now that I can actually fly the airplane, I want to fly it. With a "tube," below 10K' is where this happens. Even a Q at 3.6/9800GTX/4gig-O-ram won't do it. A $1000 QX might get me +10% to 4.0Ghz (and frames from 15 to 16.5 FPS). FSX shines with less demanding airplanes, but totally chokes with the 744 on a typical destination's approach. PMDG has addressed this with the FS9-744 patch. Now without compromise, FS9 is (still) the platform of choice for the PMDG plane-set. And FS9 can still dress-up pretty well with the right addon set.Run 'em both. They each do different things well. Cost? The cost for the airplane is still Exactly the same. Remember PMDG went to Euro pricing a while back? The writing on That wall was hard to miss. PMDG saw it and made a Very smart business move. 60 Euros only got them $70 back then. Now it gets them $100. Very smart. For instance in late 2002, 1 dollar = 1 euro. Oil is currently 75 euros/barrel, but now now 130 dollars/barrel. Same writing, Same wall. Stay tuned, cuz not only is it not over yet, it's accelerating. If you want that airplane, buy it Now.

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I think I will hold off. Seeing that it performs worse than LvlD...And I've really been migrating to FSX, flying in FS9 is nothing compared to FSX, at least for me. Thanks for your help all!

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>I think I will hold off. Seeing that it performs worse than>LvlD...>>And I've really been migrating to FSX, flying in FS9 is>nothing compared to FSX, at least for me. >>Thanks for your help all!Hi,One thing that's important flying the PMDG and LevelD is to pull several display setting sliders to the left. No use showing a lot of autogen and such when you fly an aircraft like the PMDG. This will give you more fps to fly the heavies. Remember to save the configuration in FSX. Makes it easy to load a VFR och IFR configuration.Ulf B

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". . . flying in FS9 is nothing compared to FSX, at least for me."It entirely depends on a simmer's primary interest. For instance, the PMDG airplane happens in the cockpit and FS9 allows that function without compromise. FSX's primary advantage is improved environmental realism (eyecandy) for the VFR fliers. Has anyone been to Emma's Field? It's a magical place. The MSFS platform was never intended to support the technical realism of a PMDG airplane. We half-joke about observing, "Is MSFS PMDG qualified". So far, it is Not. We PMDG fliers are constantly having to react to the additional (virtual world) realities and vagaries of the MS environment. The airplane is constantly being blamed for miss-behaviors that are attributable to sim, not the airplane. The fidelity this airplane brings to the sim accentuates its every nuance, both good and bad. You think Phil gets a bashing? The brutes tend to be especially brutal, especially at this site. Check out the PMDG forum. Those guys have been taking it for years. I'm amazed they haven't reconsidered involvement in the community too. This airplane is only seriously appreciated by a relatively few (non-dead) horses. It is a miracle this airplane exists at all and we are thankful for it. However MS could Never support their product by appealing only this consumer group. A general MS audience wants increased environmental / visual realism. It's interesting to note that even in a flight sim, the airplane must still be considered just another piece of eyecandy. The Mfg might talk of flight dynamic and systems realism. However MS's buying public will not notice it, use it, or really care at all (other than reading the box in a Best Buy aisle). This is where FSX IS an improvement over FS9. It will allow Aces to survive while they continue to hone their product. Maybe FS11 will finally allow the interests of both siming communities to consolidated into a single platform . . . but we're not there yet. Use Both FSX and FS9. The fulfill equally important, but - different - purposes.

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What I dont get is that the other site is selling it for $74.95 while computerpilot.com is selling it for $59.99 plus 10% off this weekend. Nothing like putting an extra 15 bucks in your pocket. Scott

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