I have zero trouble with EFB in VR using the latest BETA. For the last 2 or 3 days since the latest SU2 preview update it works every bit as good as this:

 

I can move the map, zoom, work all the buttons on the screen and enter things in the text boxes.

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by Fielder

Good to know. 

I have not tried the EFB with the latest Beta

I push a button on my Warthog throttle and the EFB appears. Push it again and it's gone. The button is there under my hand, I don't need to see it, I can feel it. So it's not hidden when I'm wearing a helmet.

Having enough ergonomic controllers is a key for VR. I have a VKB hotas stick that I don't use the handle for elevator or rudder. I use an Alpha yoke for that. Only the ergonomic buttons and four hats on the stick. 

It took billions of dollars of research for the U.S. military to design the F16 stick to work by feel with your fingers, instead of by sight with your eyes. You don't have time to look in a dogfight. You can't look in VR.

On an airliner, you have time to use your eyes. Airliner controls are not ergonomic: because they don't have to be ergonomic. Only feature rich. But that is not what we want in VR. We need ergonomic controls with hats under our fingers and operated by feel, not arranged in rows and columns like a keyboard or an MCDU.

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Fielder

It's currently still stretched and not exactly the easiest to use, so it's nowhere near "perfect" IMO. Much better than it was, but still plenty of work to be done.

Hmmm, seems as easy to use as in 2D for me.

I'll tell you of a little bug that annoys me and that is getting the VR Toggle Toolbar key assignment to work reliably for me.

Has that been improved in SU2 Beta?

2 hours ago, Highmike said:

I'll tell you of a little bug that annoys me and that is getting the VR Toggle Toolbar key assignment to work reliably for me.

Has that been improved in SU2 Beta?

Yep works every time in the beta.

On 4/15/2025 at 6:46 PM, Fielder said:

You can't look in VR.

why not? unlike the Pimax Crystal Light with its very bad not even VGA b/w resolution resembling a snow storm, Pico 4 and Metaquest 3 both have very good pass through color cameras for mixed reality games:

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, turbomax said:

unlike the Pimax Crystal Light with its very bad not even VGA b/w resolution resembling a snow storm, Pico 4 and Metaquest 3 both have very good pass through color cameras for mixed reality games:

 

Very true. But wearing any VR headset limits the ability to comfortably manipulate controllers that aren't ergonomic. But HOTAS buttons and hats are ergonomic and can be very easily used blind. That was the whole idea why the U.S. government spent so much effort designing the HOTAS idea. To allow the pilot to concentrate his sight upon the enemies and not on his controllers during a dogfight. So if there is room, a HOTAS stick and throttle can be a tremendous help if placed on the left and right edges, to the outside of the yoke and quadrant. You know where to find all those many hats, switches, and buttons by feel. Sight is not necessary.

I never fly any dogfight missions in MSFS, never have and never will, but yes, HOTAS combined with my Xbox controller for windows makes flying in VR pretty comfortable. yet I think the Pimax Crystal light, while being more expensive than the other headsets, still has the worst of any pass through cameras, and even only in b/w. unbelievable.

This screen in Nvidia Control Panel is for setting up 3D in MSFS, any windows version from FS95 onward thru 2024. The 3D image is displayed directly on the 2D monitor screen, no VR helmit is necessary. True depth perception. This NCP screen is for setting parameters of that 3D image.

 

The main catch is that this tech idea worked great when all monitors were CRT devices (cathode ray tube). It does not work with thin screens like all modern LED and plasma monitors. 

The other catch is that the 3D stereo image did not pan as you moved your head. It was stationary.

There was a day when at least half of all Avsimmers were using this tech. The only thing you had to buy was a cheap $5 pair of glasses (polarized glasses).

When you removed the glasses, the image was fuzy. One lens was horizontally polarized, the lens for the other eye was vertical polar.

This 3D mode turned on and off with a keyboard hotkey. 3D cut the fps in half.

Edited April 25, 20251 yr by Fielder

I still have mine, was called Nvidia 3D vision. it DOES work with selected LCD monitors, the glasses cost a lot more than your $ 5,-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_3D_Vision