3 hours ago, Noel said:

All you need to do is hit the Camera interface in the toolbar, and change Freelook Speed to a bit above 0 and you can dial in precise location, then go back to default Freelook Speed which is 50 here and you're good to go.

Hmmm....

3 hours ago, Noel said:

 No need to open up dialogues or what have you. 

Hmmmm...

2 hours ago, roesti said:

If I have a plane with camera collision and I want to set up a wing view, I have to close the sim, edit a .cfg to adjust the default viewpoint, then start the sim again, save my now accessible view, close the sim again, revert the .cfg and start the sim again. With chaseplane, I just move the camera.

This is in particular is one major usefulness that chaseplanes provides to me, some aircraft have really annoying bounding boxes and I'm not interested with messing around with .cfg files just to put my camera in a particular area.

 

2 hours ago, GCBraun said:

especially if it also performs poorly in VR.

Where was it noted that it performs poorly in vr? I flew with it in VR in 2020 all the time and it was a fantastic experience.

9 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Hmmm....

Hmmmm...

🙃🤣🤫 Yeah that's right for the one view where one may need to fine tune you have to use your mouse to drop the camera interface down then OMG, slide the slider and adjust the location.  Ugg that might take up to 30 seconds, once.  Ugg!

8 minutes ago, Noel said:

🙃🤣🤫 Yeah that's right for the one view where one may need to fine tune you have to use your mouse to drop the camera interface down then OMG, slide the slider and adjust the location.  Ugg that might take up to 30 seconds, once.  Ugg!

You can use the same arguments on the simplicity of Chaseplane. Chaseplane does offer a lot of flexibility (Which you do not need to use) but I didn't find it extended the required setup time to make simple custom views that I did with the default camera system.

Was it different? Yes. Did I need to learn it? Sure, but ultimately I had to learn the default camera system too and I also learned the flaws of the default system that Chaseplane mitigated.

Much like your discussion with GSX, you seem really inflexible to taking the time to learn other things because your content with what you have (and that's perfectly ok I have no issue there) but, that doesn't make the programs you signed off from having bad design. You just didn't want to take the time to learn that its a lot more simple than you make it out to be.

1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

Much like your discussion with GSX, you seem really inflexible to taking the time to learn other things

I installed and used Chase Plane in 2020 for several months and one can't do that w/o learning how.   So I of coursed deleted all my programmed camera settings as that was step one.  Then set them all back up again with CP, as identically as I could to what I use.  It took no time at all to find myself never using anything but an occasional Fly-By and rare Tower view and did appreciate some of the physics effects as well, but not enough to deal w/ CP again.  All I wouldn't mind adding is a simple FB and T view and would happily pay for it.  I hope someone goes there and I believe //42 would be financially wise to offer a ChasePlane Lite w/ an upgrade fee for the whole project.

Never said it was a bad design in fact when it debuted after I installed gave accolades here for the quality of the effort.  It's just not worth it for what I get out of it is all and that was learned only after installing and using it.  I can see if you had myriad hardware cockpit modules or other to look at but in the end I've also got only so many buttons.

As for GSX, I used it for 10+yr and had told myself after giving up on its issues six months ago I would try it again, so did as a reminder came from reading the update thread.  The couatl startup problems have been resolved and that was probably the biggest reason I finally gave up on it.  As well, animation quality improved, which may well be my current hardware combined w/ using a base rate of 60FPS-fg.   As for profiles, some work some don't, and it's a considerable hassle to find them only to learn they didn't address the gate you're in anyway.  Overall, GSX has improved nicely compared to six months ago so I'm enjoying it once again as it's become a clear net winner once again. 
 

Quick question - with how Chaseplane works, is it easy enough to switch between say a Chaseplane-enabled cockpit camera and MSFS default drone view? 

I use tab to switch between the two and I’d love to be able to keep drone mode as it is with that functionality.
 

7 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

 

Where was it noted that it performs poorly in vr? I flew with it in VR in 2020 all the time and it was a fantastic experience.

You get a double mouse cursor in vr.  That alone was a dealbreaker for me, unless you like closing one eye to click buttons.

7 hours ago, Noel said:

I use 6 planes

I use about 50 or so, with a bunch of controllers (about 8 with slew of buttons/sliders/etc.) ... some aircraft are similar but rarely exactly the same especially when it comes to rudder sensitivity and nose wheel steering, thrust reverse setup etc. etc.  

I have no problem understanding the controller UI, it's just a horrible UI and extremely navigation intensive ... it is very much not a PC interface but a console interface.

54 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

especially when it comes to rudder sensitivity and nose wheel steering

That's what I've found.  From Longitude to I-Fly 737 MAX and everything in between aileron and elevator can be kept the same, and yes it's rudder and NW steering that require their own settings.  

14 hours ago, Noel said:

Then set them all back up again with CP, as identically as I could to what I use.  It took no time at all to find myself never using anything but an occasional Fly-By and rare Tower view

Then your previous complaints confuse me. Ultimately you want a simplified ChasePlane, your comments about setting custom views being a PIA or not being simple don't really hold up in my book based on my experience as-well as you acknowledging you've learned it as-well. 

 

9 hours ago, Gilandred said:

You get a double mouse cursor in vr.  That alone was a dealbreaker for me, unless you like closing one eye to click buttons.

Ah, I got used to it within a day but understand it can be annoying for some.

3 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Then your previous complaints confuse me. Ultimately you want a simplified ChasePlane, your comments about setting custom views being a PIA or not being simple don't really hold up in my book based on my experience as-well as you acknowledging you've learned it as-well. 

Very simply once more:  it does not add enough for me to undo existing custom views for the six planes I use most often (that's 6x9 views, or 54) and then reset 54 views using CP. And this as well, "It took no time at all to find myself never using anything but an occasional Fly-By and rare Tower view...."  For $10, I'd happily take a simple Fly By and Tower Views provided I don't have to undo anything else.  It's possible //42 may actual do what was suggested to them which is to somehow duplicate the simple setup process that already exists in 2024, if that happens I'm back in.   Short of that, nope.

28 minutes ago, Noel said:

Very simply once more:  it does not add enough for me to undo existing custom views for the six planes I use most often (that's 6x9 views, or 54) and then reset 54 views using CP

That sounds actually a bit confusing to me. Using ChasePlane, I never had to "undo" any previous set default views, ChasePlane even offers to import your default MSFS views if you don't want to start from scratch. So I'm not sure if I understand your problem here. I get that ChasePlane does not offer enough "value" for you, that's okay. But I've never encountered these "undo / redo" problems you describe. You can also switch back to default / disable ChasePlane if you want within CP itself (and it should make backups of what you had before).

But you also mentioned another advantage of ChasePlane: The amount of views available. You can only bind 10 with default, there's no limit with ChasePlane (only the amount of buttons available limited by your hardware). 9 is certainly not enough for me 😄

Edited December 15, 2025Dec 15 by roesti

34 minutes ago, roesti said:

I never had to "undo" any previous set default views, ChasePlane even offers to import your default MSFS views if you don't want to start from scratch

The amount of potential views if you actually read what I said is irrelevant to me:  I don't even use all 10 views, never have.

I probably decided against any automation on this piece at the time. Here's what their recommendation was and for some reason decided against their offer, their highly recommended offer, to undo them:

Control Assignments

Given the potential for conflict between the default camera system and the ChasePlane system, we recommend that all of your camera assignments in MSFS be removed (with the exception of Drone mode related controls).

Edited December 15, 2025Dec 15 by Noel

7 minutes ago, Noel said:

The amount of potential views if you actually read what I said is irrelevant to me:  I don't even use all 10 views, never have.

I probably decided against any automation on this piece at the time. Here's what their recommendation was and for some reason decided against their offer, their highly recommended offer, to undo them:

Control Assignments

Given the potential for conflict between the default camera system and the ChasePlane system, we recommend that all of your camera assignments in MSFS be removed (with the exception of Drone mode related controls).

If for 2024 they figured out a way to automatically do the assignments, IOW, take what's present in default custom views, and automatically assign them exactly as they are to the corresponding buttons, I'd reconsider so we'll see soon.   Again, there are 54 views to setup, and the payoff isn't worth it here, obviously clearly else I wouldn't bother to say it.

Edited December 15, 2025Dec 15 by Noel

36 minutes ago, Noel said:

Here's what their recommendation was and for some reason decided against their offer, their highly recommended offer, to undo them:

Okay, interesting. I never did undo anything. It's clear that the keybinds need to be removed, because you don't want double bindings between the Sim and ChasePlane which is quite logical. But I never even did that, because ChasePlane offered to me to do it automatically (which it did without issues) and also created a backup of my original configuration.

The views itself could be imported via the "+ Import" button (There's also an "Import from Community" button, which I'd guess contains enough views for several planes. I never removed any default views and would not even know how, and I never encountered any issues. That's how I understand "assignments" -> it's about the keybinds, but you don't have to do it yourself, because the software takes care of it in the initial setup you just have to follow.

36 minutes ago, Noel said:

is irrelevant to me

Yeah, and that's an important point. For you, 10 views or less are enough, for me or others, it's not. For me it's just confusing disregarding a software just because it doesn't work exactly like the default system when initially setting up views. And if I think about it, this process takes maybe 1% of the time, while 99% is just using the camera and flying (and using / switching views behaves exactly like original or better imho). I don't think anybody sets up their views on every start of the sim session. It's like a said a "Do it once and forget" thing and then just fly.

Don't get me wrong, you don't have to use or like the software. But it's the same as if I go to the Fenix thread and say it's an "unneccessary and irrelevant" product, because I only fly Boeing. Why chime in on a thread of a software you don't use and bring out your frustration about lacking tower or fly-by views towards //42, when your target should be Asobo for not opening up the API (btw. a feature request which was highly upvoted on the Zendesk tracker years ago, yet ignored by Asobo) to make simple tools to allow for that (and therefore basically agreeing with me, the default system is just lacking and can't be easly improved due to lack of easy access for 3rd parties)?

Edited December 15, 2025Dec 15 by roesti